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I for one am shocked that Joe Biden is a huge creep!

Also, Buttigieg loves waging war on the Middle East and his racist ass should be bounced immediately. If you think drone striking Islam is a strategy you need not speak another word to me.

White liberals love telling me how I need to defend our foreign policy to my friends from the Middle East. That I should tell my Palestinian friends about how these guys actually want the best for them when they bomb the fuck out of them constantly. That our hand is forced. Go fuck yourselves. America is a disease and the only way to eradicate it is a political revolution. The alternative is suicide by war and climate catastrophe.

My least favorite part of this is how the responses will be dismissive. That I'm drunk and out of pocket and not worth discussing. All written by people who still can't figure out how they lost in 2016. Absolutely unwilling to reconcile with how American liberalism has been sympathetic to fascism to a point where it is running out of control now.

But it all tracks. We got here by being mad people would dare criticize our old man from Delaware who loves back rubs and credit card companies. We can't imagine a future where we actually look to try to help human beings.
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i agree with what you're saying. but you and i both know that political revolution isn't happening any time soon in america, the conditions aren't right for it at the moment (though i think they could be in a couple of decades). so what do you think we should do in the meantime? throwing up our hands and saying "they all suck and we refuse to participate" just hands over all the power to the other side, who obviously is more than happy to gleefully abuse it. we have to do something and that something has to be practical and effective and not just something idealistic. so what is it? (this is a genuine question)
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Look, I'll be the first to say that I'm sick to death of the Israeli/Palestinian conflict because in my view we have a small group of people holding the rest of the world hostage in terms of geopolitics while they fight over shit land because of what's written in some old books and passed down in stories similar to the Easter bunny. I absolutely have very little patience for that part of the Middle East.

But it is a far more complex issue than "what do I tell my Palestinian friends?" Yes, Israel has essentially set up a situation that mirrors the Bantustans of South Africa and with every passing year and changing demographics things become that much more untenable. I am not even sure a two-state solution is feasible at this point, and the blame for that I largely put on Israel, because the Palestinians have not had true, unified and competent leadership, basically ever. Israel has and has instead chosen to repeatedly vote in people like Netanyahu to make the situation 100x worse. ON the other hand, there is no nation in the world, and especially not the US, who would put up with indiscriminate bombing of civilians, buses exploding, night clubs terrorized, schools terrorized. Come on - would YOU live like that and react in any other way?
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That’s a lazy comment. That’s like saying every stupid, biased thing that Rachel Maddow or The Huffington Post reports is the whole left.
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That’s a lazy comment. That’s like saying every stupid, biased thing that Rachel Maddow or The Huffington Post reports is the whole left.


Fox News is a propaganda machine. Over half of its content is designed to convince, plant seed, or flat out misinform. Sure, MSNBC is similar. But the difference there is MSNBC is just smug bullshit. Fox News is a bunch of ignorance feeding ignorance.

It’s not a lazy comment. You’re a fool if you think this was an accident. It wasn’t just a “whoopsie me!” sort of thing. There is an immense, characterizable hatred of Mexican and Central American people on the right today. Sometimes it’s conscious and sometimes it’s subconscious. This was a fully conscious attempt at making a joke in some right wing troll move. I’ll be damn shocked if you tell me you’ve never heard someone refer to Latin American countries as “all those Mexican countries” or what have you.
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Fox News has had a habit of "misleading" graphics in the past. They showed a picture of Patti LaBelle when Aretha Franklin died, and put up a graphic a while back claiming that Ruth Bader Ginsberg had died. And those are just a couple of the more recent examples I can think of. I'm sure others can list more.

So either they really need to fire the person(s) who work in their graphics department, or they're pulling this shit intentionally. Given the kind of commentary they push on their network in general, it's not exactly a stretch to assume the latter is the case.
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https://www.currentaffairs.org/2019/03/all-about-pete

I think the views of the author of this article probably align pretty closely with peef’s, but he does a much better job of laying out the case for pumping the brakes on the Buttigieg hype train, or at least digging a little deeper into his views.

That said, if we insist on purity testing all our potential candidates and tearing them apart when they fall short, we run the risk of Dave’s scenario, where the other side walks away with it.
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Give me examples of "immense, characterizable hatred of Mexican and Central American people on the right today". The Mexican and Hispanic, as well as the African American conservative movement is growing because many are realizing that the left making comments like this are complete lies, and that really the left are the ones trying to make minorities "stay in line" and not find the freedom that the conservative platform offers. See the Blexit and Lexit movements, and read the blogs and pages of many who have left and are leaving the Democrat plantation because they have found that they're not really oppressed by anyone, except those on the left that want to Lord over them they they "help them by giving them table scraps".

Any one news source is not enough, Fox news , or any other. That being said, let's look at how many stories Fox has had to retract, and how many CNN or The New York Times has had to retract.
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I have a fairly large example



He's president.
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Give me examples of "immense, characterizable hatred of Mexican and Central American people on the right today".
The president of the United States flung into popularity for calling illegal immigrants rapists, murderers, and drug dealers, and vowed to build a gigantic wall between us and their country because of this. The president is known for being factually incorrect and his supporters are known to not really care about his factual inaccuracy, because his factual inaccuracy serves as a reasonable means to pretend as though there’s any good reason for doing the shit he says sans hatred.

I’m not doing to go through and cite every instance for you. That’s all you need to hear.

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The Mexican and Hispanic, as well as the African American conservative movement is growing
The what now? The “Mexican and Hispanic conservative movement?” Lmao ignoring the low key ignorance presented with that title you just made up, let’s look at the numbers.

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because many are realizing that the left making comments like this are complete lies,
Sounds to me like you’re making a complete lie. Who the flying fuck are you talking about? Black people have consistently remained some 90% democrat, and Hispanic individuals have flocked to the left. Not sure what “movement” you’re referring to.


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and that really the left are the ones trying to make minorities "stay in line" and not find the freedom that the conservative platform offers.
What freedom are you talking about? Freedom to get the fuck out of the country? Freedom to be disliked for the color of your skin? Freedom to be judged and treated unequally based upon decisions enjoyed between two consenting adults in their bedroom? I really don’t know what freedom you’re talking about.


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See the Blexit and Lexit movements, and read the blogs and pages of many who have left and are leaving the Democrat plantation because they have found that they're not really oppressed by anyone, except those on the left that want to Lord over them they they "help them by giving them table scraps".
So someone in the minority of the minority blogged about it and you’re convinced. Right. Well, I don’t disagree that these minorities don’t need to be beholden to the Democratic Party, but it’s utterly laughable that you think they find any desire whatsoever to move to the right.



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Any one news source is not enough, Fox news , or any other. That being said, let's look at how many stories Fox has had to retract, and how many CNN or The New York Times has had to retract.

They’re probably very equal with how many they have to retract. They’re not equal on the content of the stuff that they don’t retract.
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Look, I totally agree with you that Trump is buffoon, a disgusting man, and his whole demeanor is foul, I agree with you. The easy lazy notion is "uh, he hates illegal immigration so he's racist", meanwhile he has done more for Hispanics , African Americans, empowering intelligent talented women in leadership, than Obama, or Hillary, Pelosi, Schumer, all the Democrats combined.

Pretty lousy racist. Narcissist? 100%. I never thought id see a bigger narcissist than Barack Obama, but Trump has him beat.

Again, I voted independent conservative, Carly Fiorina was my pick for the nomination, but oh well.

I look at facts, policies, what's actually happened, not just the soundbite easy slam, because you don't like the man
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The president of the United States flung into popularity for calling illegal immigrants rapists, murderers, and drug dealers, and vowed to build a gigantic wall between us and their country because of this. The president is known for being factually incorrect and his supporters are known to not really care about his factual inaccuracy, because his factual inaccuracy serves as a reasonable means to pretend as though there’s any good reason for doing the shit he says sans hatred.

I’m not doing to go through and cite every instance for you. That’s all you need to hear.



The what now? The “Mexican and Hispanic conservative movement?” Lmao ignoring the low key ignorance presented with that title you just made up, let’s look at the numbers.

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Sounds to me like you’re making a complete lie. Who the flying fuck are you talking about? Black people have consistently remained some 90% democrat, and Hispanic individuals have flocked to the left. Not sure what “movement” you’re referring to.




What freedom are you talking about? Freedom to get the fuck out of the country? Freedom to be disliked for the color of your skin? Freedom to be judged and treated unequally based upon decisions enjoyed between two consenting adults in their bedroom? I really don’t know what freedom you’re talking about.




So someone in the minority of the minority blogged about it and you’re convinced. Right. Well, I don’t disagree that these minorities don’t need to be beholden to the Democratic Party, but it’s utterly laughable that you think they find any desire whatsoever to move to the right.






They’re probably very equal with how many they have to retract. They’re not equal on the content of the stuff that they don’t retract.
All I'm going to say is I said the movement for minorities becoming conservatives is growing, not that they are a majority. It's sad that it's taking people this long that they've been lied to for 50 years by the Dems, since LBJ, and that they have been poor for 50 years, voted for Dems, and are still poor because that's how the Dems designed "The Great Society", for control, for votes, zero empowerment.

Explain why most urban cities are rum by Democrats, yet they are still poor, crime ridden, and filthy. Things will never improve for the poor, or minorities under Democrat rule. 50 years of history.
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Look, I totally agree with you that Trump is buffoon, a disgusting man, and his whole demeanor is foul, I agree with you. The easy lazy notion is "uh, he hates illegal immigration so he's racist", meanwhile he has done more for Hispanics , African Americans, empowering intelligent talented women in leadership, than Obama, or Hillary, Pelosi, Schumer, all the Democrats combined.

Except that’s not my notion. His comments do not suggest he hates illegal immigration. His comments suggest he is pandering to the deep rooted hatred of his followers. Obama was arguably one of the staunchest deporters as president. His crackdown on illegal immigration was something that really went under the radar, because he didn’t go masking the rule of law with shit like “they’re rapists and murderers” etc..

I have no clue what you’re talking about with Trump doing “more” for minorities, nor do I understand which empowered non white males you’re talking about. Sure, he’s appointed some here or there, but for the most part he’s restored old white men back into leadership.

Genuinely, I don’t care what the actual distribution is. I do support hiring whoever is best for the job at those highest levels, and I do think the notion of needing diversity is a problem rooted in society and earlier in the career chain (where we absolutely do need to enforce equality and equal opportunity). But the notion that Trump has gone out and empowered minorities and women is laughable. I would say that he does genuinely just hire who he conceives as best for the job. I don’t think Trump consciously looks for white old men, but you’re kidding if you think that isn’t his general go to.


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Pretty lousy racist. Narcissist? 100%. I never thought id see a bigger narcissist than Barack Obama, but Trump has him beat.

I’m really not convinced that Donald Trump is anything other than a narcissist, but my point really had little to do with Trump. It had to do with those who voted for him, and the candy they enjoyed from his words.

Genuinely don’t know how Obama came off as a narcissist of notability to you. Every politician had a heightened ego and sense of and narcissism, and I don’t think Obama particularly stood out. But okay. For the record, I don’t think that is the same type of narcissism as Trump exhibits. Trump’s narcissism is a genuine problem, not just a factor of why one might dislike him. It drives his decision making.

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Again, I voted independent conservative, Carly Fiorina was my pick for the nomination, but oh well.

I look at facts, policies, what's actually happened, not just the soundbite easy slam, because you don't like the man

So what you’re suggesting here is that I do not think critically. I’ll take that as an insult. I’m not sure what qualifies you to say I’m the sort of person who just looks for the “soundbite easy slam.” Based upon what? You’re the one suggesting there’s some movement sending minorities to the right, when that clearly doesn’t show up in data at all. At. All. It sounds like you read a blog and were satisfied.

It’s pretty easy to go through my posts here and see that I’m not the person who is out to get Donald Trump. I always stand by criticizing him for what he needs to be criticized for, and in the very rare event where he deserves applause, I give it.

What’s actually happened though.. I’m really curious what it is you see that has happened.
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All I'm going to say is I said the movement for minorities becoming conservatives is growing, not that they are a majority. It's sad that it's taking people this long that they've been lied to for 50 years by the Dems, since LBJ, and that they have been poor for 50 years, voted for Dems, and are still poor because that's how the Dems designed "The Great Society", for control, for votes, zero empowerment.

And I demonstrated to you that the notion of more minorities becoming conservative is false and you’ve based it upon nothing.

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Explain why most urban cities are rum by Democrats, yet they are still poor, crime ridden, and filthy. Things will never improve for the poor, or minorities under Democrat rule. 50 years of history.

I mean, this notion is true in all areas in the western world typically. Urbanization creates liberalism. Inner cities have histories relating to being poor. In our country, that’s no different.

Also, the democrats tend to be incompetent and misguided on their beliefs, and are ineffective towards producing results in elections at the lower levels.

That doesn’t make Donald Trump anything worthwhile.
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Except that’s not my notion. His comments do not suggest he hates illegal immigration. His comments suggest he is pandering to the deep rooted hatred of his followers. Obama was arguably one of the staunchest deporters as president. His crackdown on illegal immigration was something that really went under the radar, because he didn’t go masking the rule of law with shit like “they’re rapists and murderers” etc..

I have no clue what you’re talking about with Trump doing “more” for minorities, nor do I understand which empowered non white males you’re talking about. Sure, he’s appointed some here or there, but for the most part he’s restored old white men back into leadership.

Genuinely, I don’t care what the actual distribution is. I do support hiring whoever is best for the job at those highest levels, and I do think the notion of needing diversity is a problem rooted in society and earlier in the career chain (where we absolutely do need to enforce equality and equal opportunity). But the notion that Trump has gone out and empowered minorities and women is laughable. I would say that he does genuinely just hire who he conceives as best for the job. I don’t think Trump consciously looks for white old men, but you’re kidding if you think that isn’t his general go to.





I’m really not convinced that Donald Trump is anything other than a narcissist, but my point really had little to do with Trump. It had to do with those who voted for him, and the candy they enjoyed from his words.

Genuinely don’t know how Obama came off as a narcissist of notability to you. Every politician had a heightened ego and sense of and narcissism, and I don’t think Obama particularly stood out. But okay. For the record, I don’t think that is the same type of narcissism as Trump exhibits. Trump’s narcissism is a genuine problem, not just a factor of why one might dislike him. It drives his decision making.




So what you’re suggesting here is that I do not think critically. I’ll take that as an insult. I’m not sure what qualifies you to say I’m the sort of person who just looks for the “soundbite easy slam.” Based upon what? You’re the one suggesting there’s some movement sending minorities to the right, when that clearly doesn’t show up in data at all. At. All. It sounds like you read a blog and were satisfied.

It’s pretty easy to go through my posts here and see that I’m not the person who is out to get Donald Trump. I always stand by criticizing him for what he needs to be criticized for, and in the very rare event where he deserves applause, I give it.

What’s actually happened though.. I’m really curious what it is you see that has happened.

Look man, your way in your feelings about this. I wasn't saying you don't think critically, in fact you and maybe one other regular here think critically and respond thoughtfully more than most. I was just talking about my thought process.

Trump's criminal justice reform bill (Almost zero coverage, pushing for stricter welfare standards which has "encouraged" more of the poor and minorities to get jobs, start some upward mobility, hosting the Young Black Leadership Summit ( again very little coverage), lowest black and Hispanic unemplyment in decades, at least, that's just a few.

But too often here, people say "everybody" , or "all the right" , and then when asked who, cite Trump as their only example.

Obama was all about his legacy, his high brow head in the air, always talking about himself, which he still does. And I voted for him in 2008. I'm sorry I did, but I did.

Again, I ask you, what in the Democratic Party platform is there to empower African Americans and Hispanics to be free from government interference and live the REAL American dream. The American Dream isn't handouts and welfare, and many minorities are beginning to find that insulting, just like when Dems think they are too stupid to figure out how to get an ID to vote, it's insulting. Conservatives want to treat everyone the same, and have people succeed or fail based on their talent and work ethic, not quotas. So you and I agree on that.
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