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I, for one, am excited that Herman Cain is back in the national spotlight.

Missed that guy.
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He’s obviously enjoying coming and posting garbage here to see our reactions. That doesn’t mean he doesn’t genuinely believe the shit he’s reading, but he’s getting a ride out of it.

This and Headaches responses are why it's pointless to have a real conversation around here. Ok Headache, here's my response to crime and poverty........crime is down in some vities, up in others, but it's still ridiculously high. If poverty rates are going down (which they should be because of stricter enforcement if welfare policies, it has nothing to do with the Democrats running the cities, it's conservative policies. The Democratic mayors and city councils of these "worst run cities" which uses fact based data, don't want welfare reform, they want MORE welfare, MORE taxes to pour down the drain and do nothing to empower and help their communities grow upwardly.

And LN7, I don't post things to get a rise out of you or anyone, I really don't care enough about getting any kind of attention on a message board. It's just sometimes it's nice to have actual conversations about actual political facts and policies rather than just Trump Derangement Syndrome.

So fine, u guys think the Democrats running these cities in this article deserve to be voted in time after time. I disagree. We just have different opinions on what successful policy looks like.
 
Right, because you showing up posting a dubious study with no link to who performed it, what specific metrics were used, how the data was compiled, etc, and then disappearing and not engaging in dialogue was... your attempt to have a conversation?
 
I think the problem is you aren’t working from any sort of empirical data. You just have strawmen and hunches, preexisting convictions looking for “fact-based data” and a totalizing narrative — welfare creates poverty — that really can’t be argued with because it’s not based in anything. It’s like claiming socialism will cure cancer.

If you’d like to look at s City by City comparison of R vs D mayors, that’s fine, but do you really think it’s appropriate to compare, say, Detroit to Salt Lake City? Or Los Angeles to Boise?

I get irritated when people say the US should be more like Denmark, as if you could even begin to compare the two places (and I wish the US were more like Denmark in many ways). Why would we do the same between cities that are completely different from each other?

Also saying that crime is still “ridiculously high” begs the question — compared to what? I live in two cities at present, one has dropped from 400+ shootings in a year in the early 90s to about 110 today. No one but a D will ever win office. The other city I live in, which has had R mayors, is about as safe as it has ever been in this century.

Instead of facts, or a historical perspective, you’re applying a very 1994 Republican “bootstraps” POV to what are very complicated entities (American cities) and who’s successes or failures have more to do with trends beyond their control than a monolithic political judgment.
 
Right, because you showing up posting a dubious study with no link to who performed it, what specific metrics were used, how the data was compiled, etc, and then disappearing and not engaging in dialogue was... your attempt to have a conversation?

This is the article from which the Unbiased America article came from. I don’t know how much clearer it can be.

But again......if you think and want us to believe that Chicago, Flint, New York, DC, etc don’t have “economic, blight, and crime issues” then you’re blind, and destroying your own argument. If everything is fine in these dumpster fire of Democratic leadership, then we don’t need to “redistribute wealth”, “get guns off the street”, “give voices to the oppressed”. You can’t have it both ways.

https://wallethub.com/edu/best-run-cities/22869/#main-findings
 
This is the article from which the Unbiased America article came from. I don’t know how much clearer it can be.

But again......if you think and want us to believe that Chicago, Flint, New York, DC, etc don’t have “economic, blight, and crime issues” then you’re blind, and destroying your own argument. If everything is fine in these dumpster fire of Democratic leadership, then we don’t need to “redistribute wealth”, “get guns off the street”, “give voices to the oppressed”. You can’t have it both ways.

https://wallethub.com/edu/best-run-cities/22869/#main-findings

It's interesting that you ignored the fact that it's the Republican-run red states which are all massive takers and suckers on the government teat while the crime-ridden, city-infested blue states are bankrolling them.
 
This is the article from which the Unbiased America article came from. I don’t know how much clearer it can be.



But again......if you think and want us to believe that Chicago, Flint, New York, DC, etc don’t have “economic, blight, and crime issues” then you’re blind, and destroying your own argument. If everything is fine in these dumpster fire of Democratic leadership, then we don’t need to “redistribute wealth”, “get guns off the street”, “give voices to the oppressed”. You can’t have it both ways.



https://wallethub.com/edu/best-run-cities/22869/#main-findings



You do not assess the legitimate criticisms that have been pointed at your “source” ie some guy’s opinion on Facebook.

And to put it simply, ignoring every other aspect that I’ve already mentioned, it’s like you think these are apples to apples here. Do you know why DC has so many black people in the first place? Because all the rich slave owners and land owners populated the suburbs and rural areas in the DMV area. Federal jobs offered slaves an opportunity to make it, and not at the hands of their former “owners.”

Democrats in the south, in the hundreds of years that you’re talking about, were your people. We didn’t see the most recent full switcheroo until the 70s/80s. So I’m not really sure why you’re expect city centers (where historically poor people live) to be a concern of a bunch of racist white people.

And then you’re off comparing it to other “cities” that aren’t cities at all.

Bottom line: you can count the number of cities on one hand that aren’t democrat holdings. Government jobs, affordable housing, etc. have been historically provided by federalism. Cities also attract homeless people. It’s where trade happens. It’s where people are.

You’re painting the picture as though federalism is causing people to be poor and live in the city. You’re ignoring history, and ignoring what urbanization even is. The ills of it. It naturally serves that the bigger a city is, the more of the rich and the poor you will see.

The masses don’t want to vote for a Republican today because the Republican platform is about taking away their entitlement benefits and alleviating taxes on people who have more money. The democratic platform is about keeping those taxes (or in some cases adding more) in order to raise the floor.

I definitely think that there comes a certain point where it’s not all about money. Some of it is society and culture. Some people are born into poverty and stay in poverty, even with opportunity. To that, there’s not much you can do in a single presidency. It’s generational. Society needs to change. But we do need to ensure OPPORTUNITY is equal. And it’s not, and republicans are more concerned with rewarding those who may have already worked hard instead of ensuring that those who are working hard can be rewarded.
 
Might be missing a joke but Steve Bannon is the only one who isn’t trying to disguise himself IMO

That’s why he can have a discussion on-air with Anderson Cooper that doesn’t result in a “bruh you’re full of shit” sort of response.
 
Might be missing a joke but Steve Bannon is the only one who isn’t trying to disguise himself IMO

That’s why he can have a discussion on-air with Anderson Cooper that doesn’t result in a “bruh you’re full of shit” sort of response.



The joke was just that they look alike.
 
And LN7, I don't post things to get a rise out of you or anyone, I really don't care enough about getting any kind of attention on a message board. It's just sometimes it's nice to have actual conversations about actual political facts and policies rather than just Trump Derangement Syndrome.


Don’t. Don’t pretend you’re about engagement or facts. You’ve always avoided both.
Step up, be an adult. Quit playing victim.
 
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Please be consistent, it was Flint and NYC. Those two are totally comparable on every metric.




Maybe if Flint had a Republican mayor those lazy people would actually get up and, I don’t know, actually take on the responsibility of removing the lead from their own drinking water rather than sit around waiting on a welfare check.

Someone should be like, “that’s your children who’s brains are getting damaged; you shouldn’t have had them if you didn’t want to take on the responsibility of either living in a place without contaminated water or having the gold old fashioned gumption to clean the water yourself.”
 
Maybe if Flint had a Republican mayor those lazy people would actually get up and, I don’t know, actually take on the responsibility of removing the lead from their own drinking water rather than sit around waiting on a welfare check.

Someone should be like, “that’s your children who’s brains are getting damaged; you shouldn’t have had them if you didn’t want to take on the responsibility of either living in a place without contaminated water or having the gold old fashioned gumption to clean the water yourself.”

Or maybe the lazy corrupt inept Democrat led government in Flint should learn how to handle their resources. So now New York City is falsely accused of being one of the worst run cities in America? Or it just hurts your feelings Headache?

I think we need a reality check intervention. I'm from Chicago, it's my city and I love it. It's run like complete horseshit by Democrats, overpays it's corrupt politicians who have done nothing but keep a dependent ghetto thriving for 50 years, and raising taxes. If you're honest, the story is similar for most of the "worst 20"
 
It was a Republican governor who poisoned the water in Flint, but since facts have absolutely no place in this discussion, ok.

Let’s keep asserting something is true because it feels that way.
 
And if you really wanted to help the people of Chicago, instead of “cutting welfare” (whatever that means), you’d guarantee single-payer health care, fund quality public schools, andpass national gun control (city level gun control doesn’t do much since they flood in from Indiana).

This whole “welfare creates a cycle of dependency in the inner city” is so 25 years ago and thoroughly debunked.
 
Or maybe the lazy corrupt inept Democrat led government in Flint should learn how to handle their resources.

How do you even type something like this without an ounce of shame?
 
Or maybe the lazy corrupt inept Democrat led government in Flint should learn how to handle their resources. So now New York City is falsely accused of being one of the worst run cities in America? Or it just hurts your feelings Headache?



I think we need a reality check intervention. I'm from Chicago, it's my city and I love it. It's run like complete horseshit by Democrats, overpays it's corrupt politicians who have done nothing but keep a dependent ghetto thriving for 50 years, and raising taxes. If you're honest, the story is similar for most of the "worst 20"
Yes. That's what it is. You got me. Leave New York City alone, guy who thinks it's still the 70s.
 
Yes. That's what it is. You got me. Leave New York City alone, guy who thinks it's still the 70s.

Again, just going by the facts of the article, 20 worst run cities in America. It's current info. Its nothing personal. But again, if your view is that New York City is healthy in how it allocates it's funds, taxes it's residents, charges for services, and has policies that encourage lifting people out of poverty, then so be it.
 
These past few pages have been instructive.

It’s not that someone with a different viewpoint walks in here and is shouted down by a mob, but that someone with no actual argument to make or sources to cite or ability to think critically when challenged has been eviscerated by more informed posters.
 
How do you even type something like this without an ounce of shame?
His shame gene got switched off?!?

Yes. That's what it is. You got me. Leave New York City alone, guy who thinks it's still the 70s.
I'm a born and bred NYCr. Yes the 70's had it's problems and it's NOT that he 70's anymore!

I actually for the most part had a very good time in the 70's in nyc. And, no, I wasn't rich, was middle class.
 
May Kirstjen Nielsen never again enjoy a moment of peace for the rest of her time on this planet. May she be haunted by the memories of the families she destroyed and the children she abused for the rest of her nasty, pathetic life.
 
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