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Old 03-16-2019, 02:11 AM   #181
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Old 03-16-2019, 07:39 AM   #182
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Maybe this was on purpose or maybe you’re firing shots in my general direction without knowing I’m standing right here, but I would suppose that this is in reference to my commentary regarding Elon Musk vs Boeing and Lockheed Martin way back when.

To which case, (1) you’re wrong, and (2) you’re grossly misrepresenting the point that was being made.

I don’t subscribe to a single ideology, nor would I say I have one. I subscribe to checks and balances, and to a reaction-based government. Times are dynamic, so I don’t understand why our politics shouldn’t be.

There are positives and negatives to all forms of governments. There remains something to be said about “opportunity” in a capitalist system. Competition in capitalism does drive growth.

Socialism has the capability to lift the minimum quality of life. Socialism has the ability to create equality.

Capitalism encourages greed, oppression, and inequality.

Socialism fails to incentivize productivity and growth, and leads to bloated bureaucracy.

And on and on and on. Right now, we as a nation are being oppressed and abused by a system that allows our livelihood and health to be capitalized on. It’s morally wrong. We need a socialized system. We need to react.

We need to close the poverty gap, through some means or another. Perhaps basic income. Perhaps dramatically increasing minimum wage.

That doesn’t mean capitalism is inherently bad. We are just festering in a capitalist dump that has sat on its fat ass for so long, gotten so bloated, and now it can’t get up and evolve. We need to always be evolving.

A lot of superiority and inferiority in the US has come about from capitalism. We don’t need to BE capitalists and we don’t need to BE socialists. We need to evolve and make smart decisions in response to deficiencies in our society.
I'd be willing to support your candidacy for president based on this post, but I'm afraid you'd be a little too sensitive about things on the debate stage. Work on that and we can talk.

There is absolutely a place in this country for capitalist economic policies. There is also a place, and an ever growing need, for socialist economic policies. It's the reality of a global economy filled with gross economic inequality and the increasing threat of automation. It doesn't have to be one or the other.
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Automation and AI is something that should be up there with climate change in our daily political discussions, but we get a wall instead.

Both of these issues will cause major loss of employment and living standards which the only means will be some sort of social safety net.

I still like the idea of an America where anyone can make it, but it’s been fudged so badly to the haves only a select few get those chances.

Capitalism that’s heavily regulated would serve us just fine if we could get rid of the greed at the top.

Not sure how that happens at the moment.
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Old 03-16-2019, 09:46 AM   #184
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But we can’t track kids and who their parents are.

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People seem to default to talking about automation likes it's zero sum: a machine takes over a job, and that job is never replaced. That's not really how it works. Automation on a large scale has been happening since the Industrial Revolution, and during that time both workforce participation and standards of living have risen significantly. Automation kills a certain kind of job while creating others. The underlying problem is outdated or irrelevant skills, not automation.
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Right.

But retail / service / transportation industries won’t be able to find work for all those replaced. Not every cashier is going to transition to software engineer.

But i do get your point. There will be new jobs created that we haven’t even thought of yet.

It just seems we as a society don’t really adapt to change too much. See coal / fossil fuels
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Some Scandinavian countries will pay adult workers a portion of their salary while they work on a new degree, certification, etc - I think something like that would be really good for the USA, especially if you make it conditional in terms of only subsidizing programs that look like they have long-term employment prospects. That could help mitigate skill stagnation. Right now, for-profit universities are filling that niche to an extent, but a lot of them have dubious credentials and ultimately don't help anyone.
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The real issue with automation and job replacement now as opposed to in the past century is the pace at which it's occuring, and the scope of work that it can replace.

We're not just talking about manufacturing jobs and jobs of industry anymore.
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Automation kills a certain kind of job while creating others. The underlying problem is outdated or irrelevant skills, not automation.
Absolutely. Retraining is a good idea, but part of that has to be full acceptance of the facts as they are. Remember John McCain getting ripped back in 2008 for stating (truthfully) that some of these jobs are never coming back? You have millions of people in the old manufacturing heart of the US still believing that one day they'll be back at some factory equivalent making $20/hr with great benefits. And people like Trump lying to them about bringing jobs back. That in itself removes the incentive to retrain and look forward. Those who are capable and more ambitious and forward-looking have left these dying towns but the ones who have stayed need to accept new realities and then there can be a large scale movement towards new roles.
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If they would have just listened to Bruce in 84 they'd already know that these jobs ain't coming back. Duh.
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If they would have just listened to Bruce in 84 they'd already know that these jobs ain't coming back. Duh.
Reminds me of the scene in Canadian Bacon where the Americans driving in the car on the way to Canada are belting out Born in the USA but when the song moves from the chorus to the uncomfortable verses, they kind of look at each other for a minute puzzled, then just keep screaming Born in the USA!! over and over again.
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I'd be willing to support your candidacy for president based on this post, but I'm afraid you'd be a little too sensitive about things on the debate stage. Work on that and we can talk.

I’m actually quite level-headed in person.

Except for that one time I nailed a fellow classmate in the face with a half full water bottle for wasting my time in a team meeting with his homophobic comments.
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US Politics XIII: Don Jr. The Worst Judgment of Anyone in the World.

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I think you are a good person, so I would like to believe so. But your political ambition certainly makes me feel you are not.



I had decided to ignore this, assuming it was a Friday night and you were drunk and you would feel embarrassed about it the next day.

However, I’ve been posting regularly on here since around 2004 (I read WIRE in the late 90s too), and this particular post is something of an all-time low for my experience inside this community.

I just felt I had to say that.

I won’t say anything about it again.
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If it helps at all Irvine

I always find myself taking comfort whenever i read any of your posts in this community. Your ability to communicate both politically and in regards to U2s music is second to none.

Even if i don’t agree or want to agree i know you’re coming from a place of compassion/kindness.

Look forward to more
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Here is a short presentation on FDR's Second Economic Bill of Rights from wiki

I first heard about this about 12 years on the Thom Hartman radio show (then on Air America radio) . Heh, on not ever hearing about it earlier in my life - like on HS in "the 60's"!

Imagine how much better things might be although (caveat) FDR's federal housing policies were quite racist (only found out about that oh, 6 yrs ago or so), so obviously uneven improvement.
Conservatives have been fighting tooth & nail since the 30's to get rid of FDR, LBJ, and yes, Nixon's [was i shocked] EPA and the others various social safety net, OSHA, etc programs.


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President Franklin D. Roosevelt announced the plan for a bill of social and economic rights in the State of the Union address of January 11, 1944 (filmed excerpt)
The Second Bill of Rights is a list of rights that was proposed by United States President Franklin D. Roosevelt during his State of the Union Address on Tuesday, January 11, 1944.[1] In his address, Roosevelt suggested that the nation had come to recognize and should now implement, a second "bill of rights". Roosevelt's argument was that the "political rights" guaranteed by the Constitution and the Bill of Rights had "proved inadequate to assure us equality in the pursuit of happiness". His remedy was to declare an "economic bill of rights" to guarantee these specific rights:

Employment (right to work[notes 1]), food, clothing and leisure with enough income to support them
Farmers' rights to a fair income
Freedom from unfair competition and monopolies
Housing
Medical care
Social security
Education



So we would have had an even more mixed economy had that had gotten through (if FDR hadn't died, it might have happened).
I also just heard a fascinating program on basic garunteed income for the US, that it has much earlier roots than it's current emergence. More on that when i re-listen to it.
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Hey, vlad how ru? You were absent from here for ? 8+ months?
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President Poopypants was extra manic yesterday morning.

Something's coming around the bend
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Biden’s child sniffing aren’t going to help him.
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