Irvine511
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Trump and the GOP are presenting distortions of the actual, complex issues, and the GOP base is nothing if not easily misled on emotional issues, so Democrats need to be smart about how these issues are framed.
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Trump and the GOP are presenting distortions of the actual, complex issues, and the GOP base is nothing if not easily misled on emotional issues, so Democrats need to be smart about how these issues are framed.
Exactly.
Oh, hey, we're going to oppose the funding bill cause we're just rebels y'all
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DaveC
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yea sure, let's not bother discussing if they have a valid point or not, let's just mockingly call them rebels and be done with it.
LuckyNumber7
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I love you all (except that liar who definitely voted for Donald Trump) but Dave you gotta think it goes both ways. We need a lot less bickering/mockery from within and a lot more substantive debate.
Nah, let's make a point off the backs of hundreds of thousands of government workers who could possibly be without a paycheck again. I think that's a wonderful idea.
I'm all for holding DHS accountable. You can do that without throwing a monkey wrench into negotiations at the 11th hour, and can do it without grandstanding over what is a relatively small increase in funding. That's what oversight is for, which, btw, the Democrats currently have.
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DaveC
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i mean, there's no chance that this affects the outcome of the vote so what's the harm in sticking to your principles and making a perfectly valid point at the same time? sure if these votes were the difference between the bill passing and not passing then it would be indefensible, but it's not the case.
Until president poopy pants throws a fit.
It's a delicate time - and frankly the other side plays the game better. Watch how this is spun tonight by the right.
There's a time and place. They could stand on their principles in oversight committees, where they can actually accomplish something.
Get the fucking bill passed. It's a win. He got nothing. THEN shit down his throat. Not before.
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There are some bad optics recently. It’s unbelievable that Northam is yet to resign. Dangerous hypocrisy levels while Trumps is touting criminal justice reform in a well received SOTU.
Northam has to go ASAP. Damaging the party.
Does the same standard apply to Trump and his 20 sexual allegations, nearly every organization with his name on it under investigation....
Or is it only Democrats that have to follow these standards ?
womanfish
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And don't forget the multitude of racist, anti-semitic, and sexist comments Trump has made. Somehow a congresswoman should resign for a tweet, but Trump is just fine.
And the other thing is that EVERY Democrat has denounced Northam and said he should resign. If it were a Republican - there would be crickets and he'd stay put. It's Northam's decision to stay. A senator or congressperson can't physically remove him, and the state constitution holds nothing in it that makes his circumstances an impeachable offense.
I agree he's harming the party and think he should go, but Dems at least spoke in a unified voice of repulsion. Something that would never come from the right.
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As much as I hate to agree with Trump and the deplorables on anything, the mainstream media is a real problem. How many times are they going to beat this Ilhan Omar dead horse until we can move on? I mean seriously, Trump says that she should resign - ok, first of all to whatever "journalist" asked him that question - WHY? Second, it was an off the cuff response at the end of a meeting and it did not need to be run on every major news network 55 times before dinner. And then invite every Democrat in Congress to self-immolate while we have some smug ass Republican counterpart crowing presenting fake outrage and concern trolling in response. Just stop with this. It's not like the Steve King story, where a man who has been openly racist for over a decade goes on the record in print to proclaim the wonders of white supremacy. It's an inexperienced young Congresswoman who probably shouldn't be tweeting like she's a private citizen who doesn't have to give a second thought to it.
The Dems should stop going on TV and doing endless interviews like this. Move the fuck on.
The Dems should stop going on TV and doing endless interviews like this. Move the fuck on.
womanfish
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Amen. The same fucksticks that continually ran Clinton into the ground over any unsubstantiated accusation, trying to somehow make the statement "lesser of two evils" a reality.
I mean, like you said, a reporter asks Trump about Omar resigning, yet not one reporter has had the balls to do a follow up question on Trump when he says that the wall is currently being built. How about - Mr. President, can you specify what areas the wall is being built in because we can find no evidence that any new wall is being built?
But no. Nothing.
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The Democrats have had a rough couple weeks. The longer Northam stays on, Omar stays in the headlines, they will be hemorrhaging support among independents and their traditional voting blocs. The may not run to Trump, but they won’t feel as locked in voting D everytime.
In the meantime the only recourse against Trump is censure or impeachment. We can argue about Trump being gross till we are blue in the face. The only other option is to win in 2020. Add the Green New Deal / Abortion priorities, Dems are not winning over the voters they need to.
Irvine511
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I can think of two things that are much more of a national emergency than this dipshit racist “wall”:
1. Gun violence
2. Climate change
Future president Harris/Booker/Klobuchar take note.
1. Gun violence
2. Climate change
Future president Harris/Booker/Klobuchar take note.
Poopy Pants will sign the funding bill, but then declare a national emergency to fund his Mexico funded wall
Irvine511
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Also, sends the signal that Mueller’s got something big in store for us tomorrow.
Irvine511
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Primary him! Primary him!
trojanchick99
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I cannot wait to watch the GOP fold like the spineless jellyfish they are when Pelosi forces a vote on this "emergency".
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Jerry Dunk
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That Israel is not an apartheid state perpetually violating the rights of Palestinians, and that all criticism of Israel amounts to anti-Semitism. Just look at how many Democrats give credence to the ban on BDS. Support of Israel simultaneously allows the right to appear as though they are not anti-Semetic while being a cudgel in their continual war against all things Muslim. And the Democrats have been all too happy to stand together with the GOP on most issues related to Israel and Palestine.
Despite Donald's recent increase in approval to 44% in Gallup from 37% last month, his overall average in Gallup since taking office two years ago is only 40%. Here is how that stacks up against the other Presidents since Gallup started taking approval ratings:
GALLUP - OVERALL AVERAGE APPROVAL RATING WHILE PRESIDENT:
John F. Kennedy - 70%
Dwight D. Eisenhower - 65%
George H.W. Bush - 61%
Lyndon B. Johnson - 55%
Bill Clinton - 55%
Ronald Reagan - 53%
George W. Bush - 49%
Richard Nixon - 49%
Barack Obama - 48%
Gerald Ford - 47%
Jimmy Carter - 46%
Harry S. Truman - 45%
Donald J. Trump - 40%
Trump is not done, but I don't think his average approval rating will rise much if at all. Bottom line, the only way that Trump can win in 2020 is if someone like Howard Shultz runs an independent campaign that is able to divide the anti-Trump vote.
Israel has created a de facto apartheid state in the West Bank for sure. And given that demographics are destiny, this is going to be really akin to Palestinians living in Bantustans really soon. Also given the blatant land grab, the two state solution is almost dead in the water, and Israel has done this to itself. The longer this goes on, the practical solution will look more and more like a one state which necessarily cannot exist as a Jewish one in principle.
I am not particularly religious and therefore not swayed by some loony claims for whose holy land any piece of dirt in the Middle East belongs to. What's more the rest of the world has been held hostage by everyone in that region when it comes to geopolitics for decades to the detriment of us all.
Establishment Democrats are mostly completely one-sided on this issue.
dabiggestu2fan
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So I guess president Hannity and th pFox “news” party will declare a national emergency after all?
https://twitter.com/kylegriffin1/status/1096216377256542209?s=21
And yet Trump found a way to almost make me feel sorry for the racist elf
Almost
And yet Trump found a way to almost make me feel sorry for the racist elf
Almost
Thanks for costing my old neighborhood 25k and a billion in tax revenue a year, AOC.
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