US Politics XII: shutting down Interference until @U2 agrees to pay for a firewall

[Gzusfrk]

Of course you can, just not surprised you’re hanging out in that corner of the internet.

I made no comment either way, but as others have pointed out, you voted for someone who would just grab them by the pussy. So your creepy barometer means nothing to me.

Beavis, you really don't read very well. I did not vote for Trump, nor am I a Trump supporter. Apparently you're of the narrow minded view that if someone isn't sucked into the Democrat vortex, they are pro-Trump.

You should broaden your horizons, and your mind. There are other views. Defend Biden all you want, they are both disgusting men.

 

[Gzusfrk]

Y'all voted for the creepiest, rapeiest dude in the history of dudes.

But tell us again how Joe Biden's gaffes are a problem.

Yeah, smelling kids and women's hair , hugging and kissing everyone's little kids are now "gaffes", right.

Headache, as I said with Beavis, you don't read very well either.

Never have I said I voted for Trump, and I didn't.

It doesn't make me think that Biden or any other Democrat is worthwhile either.

Sorry to trigger you guys. Very sensitive

 

[DaveC]

i love how the guy who openly hates all poor people is acting like he has some sort of moral high ground.

 

[Headache in a Suitcase]

i love how the guy who openly hates all poor people is acting like he has some sort of moral high ground.

It's how Gzus would have wanted it

 

[Headache in a Suitcase]

Yeah, smelling kids and women's hair , hugging and kissing everyone's little kids are now "gaffes", right.



Headache, as I said with Beavis, you don't read very well either.



Never have I said I voted for Trump, and I didn't.



It doesn't make me think that Biden or any other Democrat is worthwhile either.



Sorry to trigger you guys. Very sensitive

Sure, Jan

 

[Jerry Dunk]

There may be no better example of how inept the Democrats are at playing politics than the collective handling of this Ilhan Omar "controversy."

1. Omar correctly points out that Israel's absurd "untouchable" status in modern American politics is in no small part due to heavy influence from lobbyists.
2. Republicans flip out and make bad faith arguments that her points included "anti-Semetic rhetoric," which is not the case. They also frame the issue as requiring the Democrats to respond.
3. Democrats oblige, and unify to label Omar's comments anti-Semetic to placate the right.
4. Omar is forced to apologize despite having done nothing wrong.
5. Instead of being satisfied with the placation, as the Democrats seemed to think they would be, the Republicans take advantage of all this to demand her removal from her committees, and now the president calls for her resignation.
6. The Democrats now stumble around saying "Hey, wait a second..." once again.

You couldn't draw up a better summary of how bad the Democrats are at this. The Democrats are once again Charlie Brown, and once again the Republicans have pulled the football away. Even Ocasio-Cortez and Sanders have fallen for the nonsense, which has been incredibly disappointing.

 

[Irvine511]

There may be no better example of how inept the Democrats are at playing politics than the collective handling of this Ilhan Omar "controversy."

1. Omar correctly points out that Israel's absurd "untouchable" status in modern American politics is in no small part due to heavy influence from lobbyists.
2. Republicans flip out and make bad faith arguments that her points included "anti-Semetic rhetoric," which is not the case. They also frame the issue as requiring the Democrats to respond.
3. Democrats oblige, and unify to label Omar's comments anti-Semetic to placate the right.
4. Omar is forced to apologize despite having done nothing wrong.
5. Instead of being satisfied with the placation, as the Democrats seemed to think they would be, the Republicans take advantage of all this to demand her removal from her committees, and now the president calls for her resignation.
6. The Democrats now stumble around saying "Hey, wait a second..." once again.

You couldn't draw up a better summary of how bad the Democrats are at this. The Democrats are once again Charlie Brown, and once again the Republicans have pulled the football away. Even Ocasio-Cortez and Sanders have fallen for the nonsense, which has been incredibly disappointing.

While I agree with most of this, it was an unfortunate tweet that should have been apologized for — it did play into centuries of stereotypes of Jews controlling politics via money ... imagine someone implying, say, laziness in regards to the NAACP and you’ll get an equivalent.

However, her apology should be enough, and it’s utterly laughable that the Soros-conspiracy crowd is suddenly the anti-Semitism police.

It’s also not helpful to act as if the real Bad Thing here is “the Democrats” and their shortcomings. Focus criticism where it belongs.

 

[trojanchick99]

Sadly, anti-semitism is something you see from both sides. It's wrong from both sides. Ilhan apologized sincerely. For me that's that.

 

[anitram]

Sure, Jan

I told you guys, it'll be like W Bush Part 2 - suddenly nobody voted for him. Miracle he got elected. (Sort of) Twice.

 

[BVS]

Beavis, you really don't read very well. I did not vote for Trump, nor am I a Trump supporter. Apparently you're of the narrow minded view that if someone isn't sucked into the Democrat vortex, they are pro-Trump.



You should broaden your horizons, and your mind. There are other views. Defend Biden all you want, they are both disgusting men.

No, I knew you had stated you weren’t a big supporter, just didn’t remember you saying you didn’t vote for him. A lot of people say they’re not big fans but held their nose and did so, so my bad if you stated otherwise.

 

[Gzusfrk]

i love how the guy who openly hates all poor people is acting like he has some sort of moral high ground.

Another insipid, completely uninformed response, no surprise. So all three of you who attacked me did so with arguments that are completely untrue, and I challenge any of you to find one place where I said I voted for Trump, think Trump is a good guy or hate poor people.

You won't be able too.

Typical liberals, assassinate a person's character with lies, and avoid the issue that Joe Biden is a creepy pervert. What a group.

 

[DaveC]

if we're so awful, feel free to fuck off forever anytime.

 

[LuckyNumber7]

Beavis, you really don't read very well. I did not vote for Trump, nor am I a Trump supporter.

Lol are you sure about this

(Fucking liar)

 

[Zephyrpilot]

Joe Biden is like Wu Tang. “For the children”

One of those ODB rants

 

[Sayid]

I told you guys, it'll be like W Bush Part 2 - suddenly nobody voted for him. Miracle he got elected. (Sort of) Twice.

I don't think that is a real phenomenon. I voted for W. Bush twice. Best President the U.S. has had since his father H.W. Bush.

 

[anitram]

I don't think that is a real phenomenon. I voted for W. Bush twice. Best President the U.S. has had since his father H.W. Bush.

Hi STING.

 

[Headache in a Suitcase]

Another insipid, completely uninformed response, no surprise. So all three of you who attacked me did so with arguments that are completely untrue, and I challenge any of you to find one place where I said I voted for Trump, think Trump is a good guy or hate poor people.



You won't be able too.



Typical liberals, assassinate a person's character with lies, and avoid the issue that Joe Biden is a creepy pervert. What a group.

Lies! It's all lies! You're actually a founding member of the AOC Fan Club! You have a poster of her surrounded by rainbows hanging over your bed!

 

[Jerry Dunk]

While I agree with most of this, it was an unfortunate tweet that should have been apologized for — it did play into centuries of stereotypes of Jews controlling politics via money ... imagine someone implying, say, laziness in regards to the NAACP and you’ll get an equivalent.

However, her apology should be enough, and it’s utterly laughable that the Soros-conspiracy crowd is suddenly the anti-Semitism police.

It’s also not helpful to act as if the real Bad Thing here is “the Democrats” and their shortcomings. Focus criticism where it belongs.

The real Bad Thing is known. We all know what it is. But there's no reasoning with a committed right winger. You need to reason with the people who are sympathetic to the other side but don't know how to do it. I rarely bother criticizing the GOP only because I have little to expand upon beyond "they are objectively evil."

This is what the Israeli lobby always does, they allow their lobbying to be excused by accusing any criticism of anti-Semitism. The only thing Ilhan did wrong was fail to tiptoe enough to make her point without ruffling feathers. That's a failure of messaging, not a failure that comes anywhere close to playing into stereotypes.

And now the Dems are in the position of trying to accuse those still hounding Omar of being hypocrites, which more or less says "What she did is just as bad as what you do, but hey, at least she apologized!" As if Omar saying "Israel has a huge lobbying footprint" is the same as Steve Scalise being "David Duke without the baggage," aside from Scalise failing to apologize for it.

 

[Irvine511]

I think she absolutely should have apologized for her tone-deaf tweet, and no one who has voted for or continues to support Donald Trump is allowed to utter a word of criticism towards her (or Northam, for that matter) given the party’s willingness to offer aid and comfort to racists.

 

[anitram]

Regardless of whether he runs, Bloomberg is putting his $ where his mouth is.

Billionaire philanthropist Michael Bloomberg is preparing to spend at least $500 million from his own pocket to deny President Donald Trump a second term, according to Democratic operatives briefed on his plans.

Bloomberg has not yet announced whether he will run in the Democratic primary. If he runs, he will use that half-billion-dollar stake — roughly $175 million more than the Trump campaign spent over the course of the entire 2016 election cycle — to fuel his campaign through the 2020 primary season, with the expectation that the sum represents a floor, not a ceiling, on his potential spending.

If Bloomberg declines to seek the presidency, his intention is to run an unprecedented data-heavy campaign designed to operate as a shadow political party for the eventual Democratic nominee.

https://www.politico.com/story/2019/02/13/michael-bloomberg-trump-2020-1167159

 

[MrsSpringsteen]

It's so far gone that I don't think even 500 million dollars can defeat Trump. I think he might be an incurable disease.

 

[Jerry Dunk]

I think she absolutely should have apologized for her tone-deaf tweet, and no one who has voted for or continues to support Donald Trump is allowed to utter a word of criticism towards her (or Northam, for that matter) given the party’s willingness to offer aid and comfort to racists.

But they are allowed to and they will continue to, and if you cater to them by thinking that an apology is going to placate them, as the Dems did, you are losing at politics.

Playing politics does not mean selling your soul, and does not mean giving up your moral authority. That is not what I mean to say here. But the Democrats have let the Republicans dictate the terms of the debate for far too long, both in situations like this, and also in playing into their hands by trying to anticipate the response and negotiating against themselves. The Dems need to start going on the offensive and make an argument. Sitting back and waiting for the Republicans to show themselves to be hypocrites? Does. Not. Work. And has not for quite a while.

Hypocrisy does not move the needle. You need to get out there and make a moral case for yourself, one that resonates. Omar started to do so in solidarity with the Palestinians, and is getting destroyed for stepping out and doing so, because the Democrats a) do not know how to wield political power and/or are not interested in doing so, and b) are right-wing on many issues, like Israel for example.

 

[Jerry Dunk]

Also, the "Medicare for Some" idea thrown around among Democrats is embarrassing.

 

[Irvine511]

What is the “right wing” position on Israel that the Democrats have taken?

 

[BEAL]

https://twitter.com/kylegriffin1/status/1095842730650021889?s=21

 

[BEAL]

https://twitter.com/defenddemocracy/status/1095903673199280128?s=21

The cards are stacked against any Democrat running

Voter suppression laws (most likely cost Clinton versus 3rd party, at least in WI & MI)

Gerrymandered districts for state and federal congresses (to keep passing bullshit laws)

Russian trolls / social media to scare the old people

 

[Irvine511]

And Democrats need to make certain all their voices are heard, and not just one congressperson from Queens. If it becomes a choice between Trump and AOC, guess who’s going to win?

His approval ratings have ticked up. Some of it is from the SOTU, and some of it has been the clarifying of the two things he’s going to run against: “socialism” and “infanticide.”

 

[Headache in a Suitcase]

With Bill Barr about to be confirmed, we're again sliding towards a likely constitutional crisis that will paralyze our government.

 

[BEAL]

https://twitter.com/emzorbit/status/1096049699377856512?s=21

Maybe our government just hasn’t cared enough ?

 

[Zephyrpilot]

And Democrats need to make certain all their voices are heard, and not just one congressperson from Queens. If it becomes a choice between Trump and AOC, guess who’s going to win?

His approval ratings have ticked up. Some of it is from the SOTU, and some of it has been the clarifying of the two things he’s going to run against: “socialism” and “infanticide.”

Maybe Socialism and Late Term Abortion aren’t the best things to highlight. Or celebrate by lighting up the Freedom Tower in pink.