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Old 01-28-2019, 11:29 PM   #301
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Rolling Stone has published a ranking of all the candidates and potential candidates so far.

This is the link to the whole article - https://www.rollingstone.com/politic...idates-771735/ - but I'll post the top ten right here:

1. Harris
2. Warren
3. Sherrod Brown
4. Beto
5. Biden
6. Sanders
7. Gillibrand
8. Klobuchar
9. Castro
10. Booker
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So are we just going to outlaw private medical insurance? What’s this M4A going to look like?
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But what specific policy positions are making you say that? I'm really asking. I want to know.



And I totally disagree about Hillary. The right is completely beyond-help over-the-top irrational about her, and seeing them campaign against her again would be unbearable and insufferable. I've already seen that movie and have no interest in seeing it again.


I could sit and go through his positions that make him a soft centrist but I’m not going to do that. You know fine well that’s what he is. What petty attempts he’s made to “make for the left while the going is good” makes me roll my eyes. He’s a farce.

And the point you make about the right and Hillary makes me adore the idea. Based upon your response, im not sure you understood my post. Clinton is only barely left of Booker, and that’s after many sharp left turns from her past.

But boy, would she be a middle finger right in the mouth and down the throat of those deplorables if she became president in 2020. That would be some beautiful justice.
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So are we just going to outlaw private medical insurance? What’s this M4A going to look like?


Yes please. Insurance (of all types) is a fucking scam and the notion that we are lawfully obliged to have it in so many fields is a joke. Lawfully obliged insurance is literally a marriage of preying on fear and gross capitalism that leads to accidental poorly planned socialism, except the beneficiaries are some company rather than the people who pay into the system.

Why the fuck should there be a company that makes money off of literally doing nothing but collecting your money against your will and redistributing it out to you but taking a massive cut? I’d prefer that being the government. At worst, that massive cut is probably turned into government bureaucracy and inefficiency, and probably employs like 3x more people.
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I could sit and go through his positions that make him a soft centrist but I’m not going to do that. You know fine well that’s what he is. What petty attempts he’s made to “make for the left while the going is good” makes me roll my eyes. He’s a farce.

And the point you make about the right and Hillary makes me adore the idea. Based upon your response, im not sure you understood my post. Clinton is only barely left of Booker, and that’s after many sharp left turns from her past.

But boy, would she be a middle finger right in the mouth and down the throat of those deplorables if she became president in 2020. That would be some beautiful justice.
I do not 'know fine well' that's what he is. I wouldn't have asked if I already knew the answer. If there are specific policy positions that bother you, say them.

I don't think Hilary would win. That's the point.
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I do not 'know fine well' that's what he is. I wouldn't have asked if I already knew the answer. If there are specific policy positions that bother you, say them.

I don't think Hilary would win. That's the point.


You literally called him “too centrist for most” like two posts ago. I’m on my phone and don’t really want to text out a whole Cory Booker schpeel, most of which is documented but some of which is impression-based from how he presents himself on challenging issues, and on his timeliness.

Would Hillary win? Anything can happen. I don’t think the democrats stand any better of a chance with Booker, or honestly any of the current candidates that aren’t named Joe Biden minus ten years in age but plus the vice presidency.

Much like a re-up on a Brexit vote, I think all we need is another election to fix this. Doesn’t really matter who the candidate is. It just matters that Obama was in office for 8 years and that’s enough for opposition to collect themselves. As with Bush-to-Obama.

The difference here is incumbency. Something we can do nothing about.
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US Politics XII: shutting down Interference until @U2 agrees to pay for a firewall

Anyways, I can go more into Cory Booker tomorrow if you want.

edit: here’s this for now https://nypost.com/2018/09/07/the-co...nary-creation/
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Yes please. Insurance (of all types) is a fucking scam and the notion that we are lawfully obliged to have it in so many fields is a joke. Lawfully obliged insurance is literally a marriage of preying on fear and gross capitalism that leads to accidental poorly planned socialism, except the beneficiaries are some company rather than the people who pay into the system.

Why the fuck should there be a company that makes money off of literally doing nothing but collecting your money against your will and redistributing it out to you but taking a massive cut? I’d prefer that being the government. At worst, that massive cut is probably turned into government bureaucracy and inefficiency, and probably employs like 3x more people.


that's a nice esoteric objection, but wouldn't it be easier/better to create a public option to compete against private insurance?
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also, jesus fucking christ:

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This tweet is not the first time Trump has apparently echoed plot points in the Sicario franchise while ostensibly speaking about real events at the U.S.-Mexico border. The president has also claimed that women are being taped up and trafficked via the southern border, a reality that has been disputed by immigration and human-trafficking experts . . . what Trump describes is, once again, a plot point in the Sicario franchise.


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that's a nice esoteric objection, but wouldn't it be easier/better to create a public option to compete against private insurance?


No, there’s a fundamental flaw in that you’re propping public insurance up against private insurance.

There’s no doubt the private sector is far more efficient than the public sector. The government’s job isn’t to be a business. Collect taxes and supply basic services. If you want additional protections you have every right to purchase additional insurance.

I don’t want to beat the dead horse of “it works in the UK,” but it works in the UK. Beautifully.

But I’m not sure what is so esoteric about my point. Unconstrained capitalism (inclusive of the government enforcing and participating on capitalizing on its people, and inclusive of allowing large corporations to monopolize) destroys any beauty of capitalism. A monopoly destroys capitalism. Insurance companies have oligopolized (yup going with that) their industry. To think there’s competition to drive prices down is silly. There’s competition to keep prices from going up, but that’s about it.
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Esoteric because it doesn’t seem remotely practical and such a proposal would inspire a backlash that would prevent any real change from actually taking place. Competing against government would help break up said oligopoly.
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Esoteric because it doesn’t seem remotely practical and such a proposal would inspire a backlash that would prevent any real change from actually taking place. Competing against government would help break up said oligopoly.


I get what you’re saying, but I would argue that if everything right seems so impractical, then we’ve been grossly capitalized into submission. Nothing can change anymore, mostly because the problem has become stiff. Fun note, that terminology (a “stiff” problem) is used in computational sciences for when an optimization problem won’t budge despite varying the inputs.

If presidents could end slavery, if presidents could establish income taxes, if presidents could enact a draft to force military service, if presidents could yada yada, why have we stagnated so hard at this point? For better or for worse, real change doesn’t happen anymore. We are frogs who entered the water before it was boiling.


The government competing with an oligopoly is not the same as outright ending it. And like I said before, you’re arguing insurance vs insurance. Not insurance vs healthcare. We don’t have healthcare. We have a system that forces us to pay in only to guarantee that statistically more money will go in then come out. That. Is. Wrong.
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I am glad to see that there is no global waMing going on! The president said so! Too bad there is still global warming happening!
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Excuse me... It's climate change, because we have too many stupid people who think that it it isn't got every day that there's no warning
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Excuse me... It's climate change, because we have too many stupid people who think that it it isn't got every day that there's no warning
Oh right! Climate change! Wouldn’t want to offend anyone with that global warming nonsense.

But at least there is no global waMing
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Well I’m off to to get my covfefe and hambarders before work. It’s going to be a long day.
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... if it isn't hot everyday.

Auto correct typos in posts calling other people stupid are the best kind of typos.
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That heckler is literally all of us.

I don't like Cory Booker for policy reasons and personality reasons. His school reforms were concerning, his very public vote against the affordable pharmaceuticals bill, whatever it was called a couple of years ago, was wrong, IMO. I have not found him at all impressive on the judiciary committee (again, I've watched more than any normal person should) and got the sense that he was preening more than anything. It's interesting because you had at least two others (Harris and Klobuchar) on the same committee clearly trying to test the waters and score some points in the event they eventually declared as nominees but neither of the women came across as so grossly theatrical and obvious about it. Finally, he's not a fighter but this I'm somewhat less concerned about because he is not the biggest offender in that regard. That would be Beto O'Rourke, who to this day espouses the complete nonsense of "when they go low we go high." The guy has literally learned absolutely nothing from the last 2 years (and how many before that when McConnell and Ryan barely allowed Obama to govern). He endorsed a Republican, albeit a more moderate one, over a Democrat running for a congressional seat close to his district when he was running last fall and again did that based on this grandiose "what's best for my country/unity" crap. He does not get it. And that's to say nothing of his wishy washy policies, which you couldn't nail down if your life depended on it. Hard pass.
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So the misogynistic attacks on Kamala Harris have begun. I fucking hate this shit. Attack her policies, her record, not her previous relationships.
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