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Old 01-08-2019, 09:08 AM   #801
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US Politics XI - more threads than fired Trump cabinet members

It seems insane that, should this drag on for weeks, we may have to dip into our emergency fund — like most liberals, we’re financially responsible and tuck money away precisely for unexpected things like this — because our president is an idiot who can’t read and relied upon “the Wall” as a memory device so he’d talk about immigration at his Nuremberg rallies and now he’s painted himself into a political corner because racists liked the idea.

But we don’t stiff the caterer either.

Oh, and there may be a lot of children in red states going without their food assistance. So, good job red state voters.
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At some point the Republicans are going to have to grow a set.

It would be nice if the Democrats did the same.
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Oh, and there may be a lot of children in red states going without their food assistance. So, good job red state voters.
I mean, these are the same people who continue to vote for and support a party that wants to take away access to free school lunches for low-income children, take away access to affordable healthcare for them, has refused to do squat about gun control in the wake of Sandy Hook, and don't seem at all bothered by the fact that immigrant children are suffering and dying at the border, so this is sadly no surprise.

But remember, the GOP is totally pro-life.
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Old 01-08-2019, 10:38 AM   #804
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Oh, and there may be a lot of children in red states going without their food assistance. So, good job red state voters.
I was thinking that once this happens, a lot of his base will be directly affected.
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It seems insane that, should this drag on for weeks, we may have to dip into our emergency fund

Lol well at least you have one.

Luckily my place has arrangements to stay open in limited fashion for the year. I work on the side the absolutely is about to be shut down if this persists, but they’ll find other stuff for me to do.

If they didn’t, I have yet to build up a safety net thanks to student loans, moving, and rent being so expensive. And to be honest I’ll probably be like that for the rest of the year.

Most people can’t afford a shutdown.
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Old 01-08-2019, 11:06 AM   #806
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Trump says people will "make do". Let them eat cake. How people can still justify voting for this guy is beyond any belief to me.

I'm supposed to be flying soon and I'm nervous about it for that reason. It's already nerve wracking enough without Trump's narcissism and childish craziness screwing it up. F him.
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I mean.. he’s well aware that federal employees are predominantly democrats. And for the ones that aren’t, and I quote, “he’s on our side.” His supporters are too far gone.
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eh ... i've heard firsthand that government workers tend to be much more complex than "predominantly Democrats." certainly your TSA workers might be, but if you go across government agencies, it's much more ideologically diverse. there are government agencies across the country, too, and FAA workers in Oklahoma aren't significantly more liberal than your average cross section of Oklahoma voters. and it's not like most federal workers can afford to live in super-liberal DC itself on their salaries alone, unless they're married to a lawyer or childless and living in a one-bedroom.

on the rural effects bit, this article was both super illuminating and depressing:

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Though Mr. Trump said on Twitter over the weekend that “most of the workers not getting paid are Democrats,” that is far from true in places like Jackson County, Fla., where Marianna is the county seat. It is a Republican bastion so deeply conservative that it was illegal to sell liquor by the drink until November 2017. The president and his plan for a wall along the border are popular here, as they are across much of the state, which might explain why Florida Republicans in Congress have done little to pressure party leaders in the Senate to put an end to the shutdown.

“Everybody I talk to wants the wall,” James Grover, 72, a car salesman from nearby Blountstown, said over breakfast on Saturday at the Waffle Iron, a diner on Route 90 that opens six days a week even though its facade, destroyed by the hurricane, is temporarily made up of plastic sheeting and plywood.

Few prison guards interviewed leveled any criticism at the president or his border policy, instead blaming the impasse on both Republicans and Democrats in Congress who have failed to reach any agreement.

“You can point fingers at both sides,” said Jason Griffin, 44. “I point fingers at everyone. If they want to get something done, they can.”

Mr. Vinzant, the union president, said he believed a wall was necessary because he trusted fellow public employees who work for the Border Patrol. “Those guys will sit there and say, ‘We need help,’” he said. “So I have to agree with it. We don’t have a choice.”

But that solidarity does not make the prison officers’ situation any easier, especially since they face an added stress: The Bureau of Prisons as a general condition of employment requires that its workers pay their debts in a timely fashion. Failure to do so can result in discipline.

“I hate the shutdown,” said Joseph Sims, 37, a corrections officer of six years. “Sometimes you’ve got to do stuff to get stuff done,” he said of Mr. Trump’s stance, “but now it’s starting to take a toll on everybody at work.”

On Saturday, Mr. Sims stood in his living room as his wife, Melissa Sims, a prison nurse, prepared to hug their 3-year-old twins before embarking on the nearly seven-hour drive to work for two weeks in Mississippi.

“Mommy’s got to go bye-bye,” she told her son, Eli, who shrieked: “No! You can’t!”

“Oh my gosh, don’t make me cry,” said Ms. Sims, 39.

The day after she is scheduled to return, her husband will have to leave for Yazoo City himself, so they will hardly see each other. And the shutdown seems likely to delay repairs at the Marianna prison, which workers fear will remain effectively closed for at least a year.

“We can handle a month or two, but if it gets much longer than that, I’m going to look for another job — a job in the private sector,” Ms. Sims said of working without pay.

She blamed Mr. Trump for the shutdown, a point on which she disagreed with her husband and most of her colleagues. “This definitely is making me more political than I have been in the past,” Ms. Sims said. She has been researching how Congress passes budget bills.

“My stance is that if there’s a wall, they’re going to find a way to get past it — legal or not,” Ms. Sims said.

“I believe there should be a barrier,” her husband countered.

A few miles away, another prison employee, Crystal Minton, accompanied her fiancé to a friend’s house to help clear the remnants of a metal roof mangled by the hurricane. Ms. Minton, a 38-year-old secretary, said she had obtained permission from the warden to put off her Mississippi duty until early February because she is a single mother caring for disabled parents. Her fiancé plans to take vacation days to look after Ms. Minton’s 7-year-old twins once she has to go to work.

The shutdown on top of the hurricane has caused Ms. Minton to rethink a lot of things.

“I voted for him, and he’s the one who’s doing this,” she said of Mr. Trump. “I thought he was going to do good things. He’s not hurting the people he needs to be hurting.”

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/07/u...gtype=Homepage

and that last line is the single most depressing thing i've read this year so far.
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Few prison guards interviewed leveled any criticism at the president or his border policy, instead blaming the impasse on both Republicans and Democrats in Congress who have failed to reach any agreement.

“You can point fingers at both sides,” said Jason Griffin, 44. “I point fingers at everyone. If they want to get something done, they can.”
Wrong. Somebody needs to remind these people that:

a) the Democrats have not had any sort of majority power or control these last two years. It's been all purely Republican rule. The shutdown started before the Democrats took over the House. There's only one side to blame here.

b) before Trump threw his little tantrum over the wall funding, there had been an agreement on funding the government and avoiding this shutdown. Trump's the one that decided at the last minute that he needed to hold it up, and his Republican buddies are too wimpy to stand up to him and tell him to get over himself.

But hey, who cares about pesky things like logic or facts, right? Just say, "both sides" ant that can absolve you of any blame or need to take any responsibility for who you vote for.

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“I voted for him, and he’s the one who’s doing this,” she said of Mr. Trump. “I thought he was going to do good things. He’s not hurting the people he needs to be hurting.”
Well, she's certainly honest, I'll give her that much. I'd sure love to hear her explain just who these people she thinks he "needs to be hurting" are, though, and why (I mean, I know, but I'd love it if she were forced to explain in detail).
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eh ... i've heard firsthand that government workers tend to be much more complex than "predominantly Democrats." certainly your TSA workers might be, but if you go across government agencies, it's much more ideologically diverse. there are government agencies across the country, too, and FAA workers in Oklahoma aren't significantly more liberal than your average cross section of Oklahoma voters. and it's not like most federal workers can afford to live in super-liberal DC itself on their salaries alone, unless they're married to a lawyer or childless and living in a one-bedroom.

on the rural effects bit, this article was both super illuminating and depressing:




and that last line is the single most depressing thing i've read this year so far.
I'd have to search for the article, but the headline or summary of it was that "the cruelty is the point"

Trump supporters just want liberals to feel pain. Now that they're feeling the pain, they feel betrayed but they'll still find a way to blame Clinton or Obama.

Trump is doing this for Foxnews. His base wouldn't blink an eye if he said there will be no wall, in fact they'd deny he ever said he was going to put one up.

But Ann Coulter types will continue to blast him if he doesn't go through with it. And Trumps ego cannot take that
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eh ... i've heard firsthand that government workers tend to be much more complex than "predominantly Democrats." certainly your TSA workers might be, but if you go across government agencies, it's much more ideologically diverse. there are government agencies across the country, too, and FAA workers in Oklahoma aren't significantly more liberal than your average cross section of Oklahoma voters. and it's not like most federal workers can afford to live in super-liberal DC itself on their salaries alone, unless they're married to a lawyer or childless and living in a one-bedroom.

on the rural effects bit, this article was both super illuminating and depressing:




and that last line is the single most depressing thing i've read this year so far.


It really depends on the agency. With the FAA folks you speak of, I would credit them with being far more “liberal” than their relative Oklahomans. Perhaps not actually liberals at all, but probably not, as a majority or plurality, supporting the president either.

I don’t know, I’ve had my fair share of interaction with places like the FAA. The one thing you’ll notice is, as they’re supposed to, most in the government talks about politics. Amongst my areas within places like the FAA, though, there’s an overwhelming scientific sense of being logical. I could imagine that ops folks (not my realm) belong to the other side of the isle.

So sure, it’s a complex environment, and predominantly “Democrat” was wrong of me to say, but I’m willing to bet you any bit that there’s a notable majority of federal employees who do not support the President, regardless of their ideologies.
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https://twitter.com/joyce_karam/stat...026438658?s=21

All that’ll be left are really bad people
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We're under attack from within. I really hope people will stop saying it's just tin foil hat shit and come to the stark realization of what's happening.
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I have some ideas on how the networks can handle their coverage tonight. Air it but have disclaimers in the screen:

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Bluer White? Gzusfrk? You guys want to chime in on this one, or any of the other ever-growing departures from this administration? Or will it just be crickets as usual from you guys?
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If he declares a state of emergency, will THAT be the line for GOP to reel him in? It would also give him additional powers. Examples being shutting down many kinds of electronic communications inside the US, freeze American's bank accounts.......deploy troops inside the country

This is a man who loves dictators.
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I don’t think it’s fair to pair Bluer White with gzusfrk. The former doesn’t engage and his exact views are somewhat obscured by that, but the latter lies through his teeth and it’s evident that fact and/or intelligence is unimportant in written argument.
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He actually tweeted that most workers not getting paid are Democrats? As usual where are his facts to back that up? And as usual he's a petty foolish incompetent train wreck manchild. And that's being kind.
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Also Eric Trump saw a deep state conspiracy in the fact that Twitter suggested that he follow Ellen Degeneres. Ellen pointed out that Ivanka Trump and Tiffany Trump both follow her on Twitter so that probably explains it. Not to mention it's just a randomly insignificant thing.

Eric trying to give Don Jr a run for the title #whichtrumpisthedumbest
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He actually tweeted that most workers not getting paid are Democrats? As usual where are his facts to back that up? And as usual he's a petty foolish incompetent train wreck manchild. And that's being kind.


He actually did. And he doesn’t have facts to back that up (that’s not something that would ever get recorded) but given the agencies on full shut down versus the ones not, there’s good reason to believe it’s true.
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