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Old 12-31-2018, 09:35 AM   #681
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Dems need to be smarter than this.
I agree. I voted for her but I'm no big fan of her running for President
She's going to be seen as too liberal from (stereotype) heathen liberal MA. Don't see that working out well at all. I like that she stands up to Trump, but we need way more than that. Like concrete ideas and plans. Not just being anti Trump.

Not that the orange clown had such things. Maybe that doesn't even matter now.
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I think we shouldn’t discount candidates as “too liberal.” The gloves are off, no more trying to appease people.

That being said, I don’t think she’s the best candidate.

I’m still all in for Hillary running again if we can’t get a solid candidate.
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Old 12-31-2018, 11:22 AM   #683
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I think we shouldn’t discount candidates as “too liberal.” The gloves are off, no more trying to appease people.

That being said, I don’t think she’s the best candidate.

I’m still all in for Hillary running again if we can’t get a solid candidate.
I agree but I think Hillary’s days are done. It would be a mistake to run her again eso against trump in 2020. I think the dems need a fresh face with fresh ideas and like it was said here, not someone that is just anti-trump.
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I think people in certain parts of the country would see Senator Warren as too liberal. I don't care about appeasing people but I do want someone who can beat Trump. It's rather pathetic that's there's no obvious person who can do that.
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The party doesn’t really control her — she can do what she wants.

I’m not a fan of her campaign, but getting mad at the party doesn’t seem fair.
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I’m still all in for Hillary running again if we can’t get a solid candidate.



For a while, I was of the opinion that she needs to retire and do some activist stuff with Bono and Oprah and be an elder statesmen.

But now that the depth of the Russian/GOP collusion has been revealed to be every bit as bad as we could have imagined, damn, 2016 was *stolen* from her. Make all the Wisconsin jokes you want, no one has ever been subjected to such shit as she.
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For a while, I was of the opinion that she needs to retire and do some activist stuff with Bono and Oprah and be an elder statesmen.

But now that the depth of the Russian/GOP collusion has been revealed to be every bit as bad as we could have imagined, damn, 2016 was *stolen* from her. Make all the Wisconsin jokes you want, no one has ever been subjected to such shit as she.
You're not wrong.

But most people still don't believe that, and/or want to believe that they were manipulated. On both sides.

She'd be better off traveling back and forth between Chicago and Dalkey.
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The theft perpetrated against Hillary Clinton is astonishing and I feel deeply sorry for her, not just for 2016 but the prior 3 decades or so of character assassination and sexism at the hands of various factions of the right/Republicans. Having said that, I think we are all ready for a new chapter.


With respect to Elizabeth Warren, let me be very clear: if she is the nominee running against Trump, there would not be a millisecond of doubt as to whom I would vote for. Zero. If I could, I would volunteer, donate money, do what needs to be done. Nobody on our planet has the luxury of waffling here. In the words of my 3-year-old, "this isn't funny." Having said that, she wouldn't be my first choice. I'm not too concerned about the "she's too liberal" complaint. The reality is that the 20% or so of voters who are Trump's base are a lost cause and I wouldn't even think about them come election time. They are the ones screaming about owning libruls from San Francisco. The squishy middle, I don't think really cares that much, they will either vote on the basis of being sick to their stomach of Trump, or on the basis of their wallets. Warren is populist enough to appeal to them. My concern with her is that she is a policy wonk and tends to sound professorial/not brief enough. She has decent soundbytes on Twitter but I don't know that it translates the same way to speaking on the stump. Since the eventual nominee will have to do battle for media time against that orange whore in office, you really need somebody who is either enigmatic and attractive like Obama or somebody who is loud and brash and takes it to Trump 24/7. Everybody else will just cede time - on covers of newspapers, on the Sunday morning talk shows, the weekly news, etc. Remember how much free advertising Trump got because he attended like 99 Republican primary debates for months and months and then he was so outrageous they started covering his rallies as well. I just don't see Warren as somebody who would give him a run for his money.
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For a while, I was of the opinion that she needs to retire and do some activist stuff with Bono and Oprah and be an elder statesmen.

But now that the depth of the Russian/GOP collusion has been revealed to be every bit as bad as we could have imagined, damn, 2016 was *stolen* from her. Make all the Wisconsin jokes you want, no one has ever been subjected to such shit as she.




that's a good one.
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For a while, I was of the opinion that she needs to retire and do some activist stuff with Bono and Oprah and be an elder statesmen.

But now that the depth of the Russian/GOP collusion has been revealed to be every bit as bad as we could have imagined, damn, 2016 was *stolen* from her. Make all the Wisconsin jokes you want, no one has ever been subjected to such shit as she.


I don’t even necessarily align with her so much as I believe she’s fit for the job, is better than the other likely candidates, and oh the sweet poetic justice it would be... there’s nothing I want more than for smug unintelligible Trump supporters heads to explode yelling about some drop state conspiracy where the system removed Trump and put KillLiary in power.
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imagine stealing the nomination and then two full years later having people claim unironically that the election was stolen from you.

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You know it would still happen, and that’s the best part.
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Hillary Clinton would have been a good President, I'd bet any amount of money on that.
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that's a good one.



Thanks! Insightful stuff!
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You're not wrong.

But most people still don't believe that, and/or want to believe that they were manipulated. On both sides.

She'd be better off traveling back and forth between Chicago and Dalkey.
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imagine stealing the nomination and then two full years later having people claim unironically that the election was stolen from you.

See?

For the good of the country she needs to sit this one out. Like, totally out. Not even actively campaigning. It's not fair at all - but it's still reality.
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I think it’s pretty clear that Trump collided with Russia (and Saudi & Israel) to throw the election to favor him.

Could be wrong. Mueller could come out with his report and clear them all

But yeah there’s only been how many indictments of his campaign staff already ? Let’s not forget that nearly everyone that’s been charged is cooperating with the Feds, so that may delude people from thinking something serious happened.

Also, Donnie Jnr time is in the barrel next. I’m curious to hear what senior has to say about his own son once it’s public
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See?

For the good of the country she needs to sit this one out. Like, totally out. Not even actively campaigning. It's not fair at all - but it's still reality.


For the good of the country, she needs to run and win so we get even.
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For the good of the country, she needs to run and win so we get even.
That won't help.

Win. Then make her either our rep in the UN or the ambassador to Russia.
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I’m beyond helping people who can’t be helped and don’t want to help others.
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I’m beyond helping people who can’t be helped and don’t want to help others.
I get it... but the important thing here is to win. We can work out our differences AFTER we win.
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