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Old 11-30-2018, 12:39 AM   #241
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Individual 1 is going to be a really good movie someday, I hope.
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should they even bother to impeach him though?

or just render him as impotent as possible and then have all this ammo to campaign against him in 2020, rather than pence or some other establishment republican? obviously they can't remove him from office with a republican senate but it doesn't seem to me like the symbolic house vote is even worth the constitutional turmoil.
I'd like to see him impeached, both because a) he's clearly done plenty of crap worthy of it and deserves to be held accountable for his actions, and b) I'm afraid of him still being around to run again in 2020. I'd like to believe he wouldn't be re-elected, but after the last two years, and seeing how much shit he's been able to get away with, and how utterly devoted his supporters are, well...

I sadly do understand the Democrats being wary about whether or not to go forward with impeachment, though. It sucks that they're stuck in this position where, if they rightly were to try and push for it, it'd be seen as a partisan move instead of a necessary decision. This should be something that both parties can support and work together on, but god forbid the GOP show anything resembling a spine and a conscience.
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I'd like to see him impeached, both because a) he's clearly done plenty of crap worthy of it and deserves to be held accountable for his actions, and b) I'm afraid of him still being around to run again in 2020. I'd like to believe he wouldn't be re-elected, but after the last two years, and seeing how much shit he's been able to get away with, and how utterly devoted his supporters are, well...

I sadly do understand the Democrats being wary about whether or not to go forward with impeachment, though. It sucks that they're stuck in this position where, if they rightly were to try and push for it, it'd be seen as a partisan move instead of a necessary decision. This should be something that both parties can support and work together on, but god forbid the GOP show anything resembling a spine and a conscience.
This is why the Democrats need to wait for Mueller.

He has PROBABLY done plenty of crap worthy of being impeached.

Being a horrible person alone is not enough to impeach. There needs to be direct evidence of high crimes or misdemeanors to impeach. We have a mountain of circumstantial evidence on that. We don't have the smoking gun. Even on obstruction; you need to prove intent for obstruction. There's so much smoke on obstruction that duh, it's obvious... but to remove a president you're going to need more than smoke (even if you have enough smoke to fill the universe 5 times over).

I believe Mueller has the fire - but we need to see it first. It may be misguided, but I even believe that enough republicans will back impeachment if the Mueller Report is clear cut. Until then, or if it is still just mountains of mountains of smoke, it's merely a practice in futility.
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I don’t think that he’ll ever be impeached, not with this Senate so it’s a bit pointless. Even if he is technically guilty, they all wear him around their necks like an anvil and their idiot constituents at home think that this is all fake news and a made up witch hunt. The most we can hope for is that a couple of people mount an actual primary challenge to him (and not somebody like Flake who would her killed on day 1), enough to keep the Cheeto busy and distracted through most of 2020 and further alienate country club conservatives.
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2020 is only way we get him out.

The congress won’t go forward with it because it’ll be the end of the GOP. Trump was planning on starting his own network and that probably would have turned into a 3rd party.

The GOP can’t lose his supporters
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The GOP must also be looking at the 8-9 point popular vote loss from the midterms. That has to be scary. I could see House Republicans turning on him much faster than the Senate Republicans, who benefit from the over representation of rural, white states.

Then again, the House has probably just been purged of all vulnerable republicans, so maybe not ...
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And really the only vulnerable seats for the GOP in the senate in 2020 IIRC are Collins and Gardner but they are also very likely to get Alabama back from
the Dems so there is very little incentive for them to put country first. They could get slaughtered in 2022 with a verrrry unfavourable senate map but that may as well be 100 years away.
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https://twitter.com/kathrynw5/status...650944000?s=21

Putin is probably like “Youll meet with me Donnie or I’ll release all the tapes of pee pee and you having sex with teenagers....”

Of course it wouldn’t matter to his base
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Putin is probably like “Youll meet with me Donnie or I’ll release all the tapes of pee pee and you having sex with teenagers....”

Of course it wouldn’t matter to his base




“You give me America, I buy your expensive, ugly apartment.”
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my boss also doesn't like it when i cancel our meetings.
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Don Jr. likely lied under oath.

Let me rephrase... If Cohen's story is true and Mueller has receipts, then Don Jr. absolutely lied under oath to Congress.
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Don Jr. likely lied under oath.

Let me rephrase... If Cohen's story is true and Mueller has receipts, then Don Jr. absolutely lied under oath to Congress.
How is a busy and important man like Don Jr. supposed to keep all his meeting details straight?
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he should really have a chat with judge brett about that.
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(I know that Trump doesn't appear to actually be watching them, but that screen grab fucking killed me.)
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(I know that Trump doesn't appear to actually be watching them, but that screen grab fucking killed me.)
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How gross. Also Putin’s Botox is looking horrific.
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That's disgusting
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And these are the world "leaders" who decide our fate. Bunch of criminals.
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i hate this meme. the girl he's already with is wayyy more attractive.
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i hate this meme. the girl he's already with is wayyy more attractive.
I think they're the same person, photoshopped...
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