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Right?! This is completely normal and the right thing to do.

You would be praising Obama if he sent Dems over to Russia on July 4th when almost his entire administration has special interests and was under investigation regarding Russia.

Don’t worry, we know you’d be fair and understanding.

and fucking civil too of course :up:
 
This one may not be worth all the outrage yet. Out of thousands of immigrants in this program, we're talking about 40 who had issues with their background checks, or the checks were incomplete.

There's no indication this is some new policy or something. (Even though it sounds completely believable, based on what this administration has already done.)
Is there any indication that these assholes have any intention of stopping at the letter of the law?
 
Tweet from @NBCNews: President Trump appears to mock Sen. Elizabeth Warren during a rally in Montana, promising to ask her to complete a test for the results of her heritage.

"But we have to do it gently because we're in the MeToo generation." https://nbcnews.to/2ze7Tg8 https://t.co/DLFXeR0doT

Here's the President of the United States mocking a movement aimed at stopping rape, sexual assault and harassment.
 
Hey man, we finally have a president who isn’t afraid to talk like a douchebag!

Aren’t you tired of the political talk? Isn’t it refreshing to have someone with the mind of a 5 year old represent us across the world ?

Side note

I am not sure i have ever seen someone lack any compassion and empathy as much as Donald.

How fucking miserable must his thoughts be to constantly take it out on others ?
 
Here's the President of the United States mocking a movement aimed at stopping rape, sexual assault and harassment.

And he also just hired Bill Shine, who resigned from Fox News last year. Amid allegations that he covered up numerous cases of sexual harassment there.

It doesn't surprise me at all that he would mock MeToo. Pussy grabber in chief, who thinks women will just let you do that. He was a star, after all.
 
At the memorial service for the Reverend Billy Graham in late February, Trump warned House Speaker Paul Ryan during a private conversation that he would veto the entire omnibus and shut down the government if Gateway weren’t removed. Ryan had to ask aides what Gateway was, but the White House called his office repeatedly to emphasize the president was serious. The right-wing bomb-throwers of the House Freedom Caucus also took up the cause, portraying Gateway as blue-state theft from red-state taxpayers, clamoring to kill it with a fervor that lawmakers never used to deploy against each other’s pet projects. “If this tunnel is so great, New York and New Jersey should pay for it,” says North Carolina Congressman Ted Budd, who led the fight against Gateway in the House. “I don’t see why my children and grandchildren should pay for their infrastructure.”

We're all fucked.
 
Trade war with China has officially kicked off, it would seem. In a circuitous kind of way this might end up being a win for the Democrats, because the only thing that is likely to turn Trump supporters against him are higher prices and a general economic squeeze on daily goods. How long it will take these tariffs to reach the average consumer is anyone's guess though.
 
Trade war with China has officially kicked off, it would seem. In a circuitous kind of way this might end up being a win for the Democrats, because the only thing that is likely to turn Trump supporters against him are higher prices and a general economic squeeze on daily goods. How long it will take these tariffs to reach the average consumer is anyone's guess though.



Nah, maybe some supporters would turn against him, but some won’t.

“Trump is a smart guy!”

“He’s putting America first!”

“Dear leader knows what he’s doing!”
 
So, Ed Schultz passed away yesterday, at the age of 64.

For those who don't remember, he was a radio host, and then the host of "The Ed Show" on MSNBC, where he was sort of a blue-collar working man's alternative to the more wonky likes of Maddow, Chris Hayes, Lawerence O'Donnell, etc. More outspoken than most against Scott Walker's union-busting in Wisconsin.

After MSNBC let him go a few years back, he did an about face that disappointed a lot of people when he went to work for RT, Russian state television, and all of a sudden started defending Trump, speaking against the Russia investigation, etc.

He lost a lot of respect from a lot of people with that move. Still, 64 is too young for anybody to go. R.I.P.
 
I think it’s time for some of us who consider ourselves center-right or classical liberal or even Reagan Republicans need to stop hating liberals long enough to take an honest assessment of what is actually going on. Because what is happening isn’t conservative or Republican or classical liberal, it’s white nationalist nativism. I get that liberals are annoying, I get that identity politics are annoying, I get that Hillary didn’t campaign in Wisconsin so Trump is her fault alone. But I don’t get the excuse making for what is blindingly obvious and admitted to by the AG — the administration is torturing children to deter their parents from seeking asylum in the US, and they are fabricating some kind of crime wave to give cover to racists.
Much of my posting over the last year or so has been directly trying to get away from this viewpoint. These people are not going to change their views. They're uncomfortable with some things that Trump does, sure, but largely they view politics as what it really is: deciding who gets what. And anyone who votes Republican is in it for themselves and, at most beyond that, their own families. They want more money for themselves and more money they can leave behind to their kids, and that's it. The rest of these things happen somewhere else, to someone else, and they are currently under no threat of it happening to them, so it's not going to move the needle.

Trying to convince these people to vote because of a conscience isn't going to work. Ultimately, they're going to vote for the Republicans because it's better for their bank accounts.
 
Much of my posting over the last year or so has been directly trying to get away from this viewpoint. These people are not going to change their views. They're uncomfortable with some things that Trump does, sure, but largely they view politics as what it really is: deciding who gets what. And anyone who votes Republican is in it for themselves and, at most beyond that, their own families. They want more money for themselves and more money they can leave behind to their kids, and that's it. The rest of these things happen somewhere else, to someone else, and they are currently under no threat of it happening to them, so it's not going to move the needle.

Trying to convince these people to vote because of a conscience isn't going to work. Ultimately, they're going to vote for the Republicans because it's better for their bank accounts.

This is a rather overly simplistic views of "Republicans'. I am a conservative, but would not say I'm a republican for various reasons, but this could easily be responded to by saying that most Democrats vote the way they do because it makes them FEEL compassionate, when they're really doing nothing compassionate. Many Democrats want to raise taxes on people with more money than them and "redistribute" wealth to the needy (themselves?) because they are either jealous, and/or either don't want to put forth the effort or investment to make more money.

It's very easy for Democrats/Liberals to spend other people's money and time and pretend they're compassionate. You know what real compassion is?? Doing something yourself, volunteering to help the people less fortunate than you, using your own money to help those organizations that you support, not pretending to be compassionate by forcing who gets what by giving more money to an inept government that's put us 20 trillion dollars in debt. Lower taxes put more money in your pocket, so use that money to support those in need! THAT'S compassion.
 
This is a rather overly simplistic views of "Republicans'. I am a conservative, but would not say I'm a republican for various reasons, but this could easily be responded to by saying that most Democrats vote the way they do because it makes them FEEL compassionate, when they're really doing nothing compassionate. Many Democrats want to raise taxes on people with more money than them and "redistribute" wealth to the needy (themselves?) because they are either jealous, and/or either don't want to put forth the effort or investment to make more money.

It's very easy for Democrats/Liberals to spend other people's money and time and pretend they're compassionate. You know what real compassion is?? Doing something yourself, volunteering to help the people less fortunate than you, using your own money to help those organizations that you support, not pretending to be compassionate by forcing who gets what by giving more money to an inept government that's put us 20 trillion dollars in debt. Lower taxes put more money in your pocket, so use that money to support those in need! THAT'S compassion.
There is zero truth to anything you are saying. If you actually looked around this country for real, you'd see that. People don't take care of each other if it costs them something. They take as much for themselves as they possibly can. Worker productivity has gone up for 30 years, and wages have completely stagnated. Why? Because we cut taxes on the rich and on corporations, and they pocketed it. The only thing they spent it on besides saving it? Lobbying to get more tax cuts.

Your entire viewpoint is something you say to reassure yourself that what you are doing is right. I can only assume you have worked hard and been successful doing so. Most people work hard. Very few are successful. The system is rigged against people who aren't born with money. Any success story of someone making something out of nothing is the exception, not the rule.

But you don't care about any of my response here because it doesn't fit in with what you want to believe. I don't feel the need to convince you. You're a lost cause. You do not understand the world and don't care to hear opposing viewpoints. You believe what you believe and I can't convince you. I want my side to start focusing on the people who stopped voting because the Democrats would get into power and accomplish nothing by deferring to the Republicans. We need real change by actually going to the left, where we can start helping people.

Redistributing wealth isn't about jealousy or laziness. It's about morality. You'd rather a thousand people die from health issues that would be preventable under universal healthcare than even one lazy person get a social safety net.
 
Many Democrats want to raise taxes on people with more money than them and "redistribute" wealth to the needy (themselves?) because they are either jealous, and/or either don't want to put forth the effort or investment to make more money.

as a socialist who pays huge taxes and social contributions and get nothing myself from the state as i don't need anything, this is up there with one of the stupidest and factually incorrect things i have ever read :lol:

i am happy to contribute to society, to healthcare, to pensions, to our schools, our school cantines, childcare, education, higher education, for my own family and for those from vulnerable families who can benefit from our system

your reasoning is so fucked up it's SAD!

oh yeah, and i'm just an average middle class earner but am aware that i work 6 months to support my own family and 6 months for others - people like you would hate that LOL
 
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Hey man, we finally have a president who isn’t afraid to talk like a douchebag!

Aren’t you tired of the political talk? Isn’t it refreshing to have someone with the mind of a 5 year old represent us across the world ?

Side note

I am not sure i have ever seen someone lack any compassion and empathy as much as Donald.

How fucking miserable must his thoughts be to constantly take it out on others ?

Does Trump think DNA kits are administered like a rape kit?

He's a moron and an asshole.

He talks like my drunk, racist Uncle!

It’s very refreshing!

What a nice break from the decorum if the coastal elites.

It's bizarro world, only it isn't :sad:
BEAL excellent line 'finally a president that can talk like a douche bag"

The hair on my head stands up straight usually at I set once a day in this 'Murica"
 
I'm a former republican who believes in universal health care and that we need to blend elements of socialism into our economic system in order to survive.

We do exist. We're called the ones who don't say "I don't like Trump but..."

Those guys are frauds who are embarrassed to admit that they voted for and continue to support a monster.

There are more of us out there than you'd think. There is a room for compromise, as much as some don't want to hear that word.

And no, compromise doesn't mean giving credence to the practices and beliefs of the current GOP leadership, who are nothing but spineless hacks.

The left need less "they to low we go high" horse shit and more fight. They would be wise to tap in to the anger on the side of those moderates and centrists who are outraged at what's going on. Sometimes the enemy of your enemy is your friend. We can all work together to rid ourselves of this monstrosity, GOP (and DNC) leadership included - and then have real adult conversations about what comes next.
 
But you don't care about any of my response here because it doesn't fit in with what you want to believe. I don't feel the need to convince you. You're a lost cause. You do not understand the world and don't care to hear opposing viewpoints. You believe what you believe and I can't convince you.

Pump the brakes a bit, maybe. Helps in the voter booth :cool:
 
Much of my posting over the last year or so has been directly trying to get away from this viewpoint. These people are not going to change their views. They're uncomfortable with some things that Trump does, sure, but largely they view politics as what it really is: deciding who gets what. And anyone who votes Republican is in it for themselves and, at most beyond that, their own families. They want more money for themselves and more money they can leave behind to their kids, and that's it. The rest of these things happen somewhere else, to someone else, and they are currently under no threat of it happening to them, so it's not going to move the needle.



Trying to convince these people to vote because of a conscience isn't going to work. Ultimately, they're going to vote for the Republicans because it's better for their bank accounts.





And trying to convince yourself that the 45% of Americans who don’t vote are suddenly going to be moved to vote by a certain candidate or set of policies is, in my view, an equally foolish idea, just as foolish as the thought that Jill Stein moved people with no intention of voting to vote and didn’t actually rob Hillary of votes. Non-voters are either too busy to vote (hard to vote on a Tuesday when you have three jobs) or simply too self-absorbed/lazy. I think you fight for the persuadable. Which may be a small number of overall votes, but it’s how elections are won — it’s hard work, too.

While I am largely sympathetic to many of your views and admire the economy with which you express them, you’ve developed a Manichean outlook on the world that I find distinctly unpersuasive.

I respect much of what you post, but we do differ in this and a few other ways.
 
This is a rather overly simplistic views of "Republicans'. I am a conservative, but would not say I'm a republican for various reasons, but this could easily be responded to by saying that most Democrats vote the way they do because it makes them FEEL compassionate, when they're really doing nothing compassionate. Many Democrats want to raise taxes on people with more money than them and "redistribute" wealth to the needy (themselves?) because they are either jealous, and/or either don't want to put forth the effort or investment to make more money.



It's very easy for Democrats/Liberals to spend other people's money and time and pretend they're compassionate. You know what real compassion is?? Doing something yourself, volunteering to help the people less fortunate than you, using your own money to help those organizations that you support, not pretending to be compassionate by forcing who gets what by giving more money to an inept government that's put us 20 trillion dollars in debt. Lower taxes put more money in your pocket, so use that money to support those in need! THAT'S compassion.




Volunteers will never educate the public. Charities will never give health care to those who don’t have it. Lower taxes will never build roads, schools, or a military, feed the homeless or cure polio or AIDS or cancer.

There are some things that only government has the organizational capacity to deal with, and that’s why taxes and the redistribution of wealth are necessary to the health of any society.
 
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