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Old 08-17-2018, 05:09 PM   #941
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The movie White Right: Meeting the Enemy took that chance. I have to say it paid off, as it led some to reconsider their views.
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Old 08-17-2018, 05:22 PM   #942
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Also... would we be wrong to assume that Stormfront types unanimously favor mass extermination? I think it's mischaracterizing to throw that in on my original response. From White Right, it's more stressed that they don't want to live side by side and associate with other races, and want barriers and mass deportation imposed on those grounds. Yes, they want to use the threat power of the state in this, but any desire to exterminate was either barely mentioned or simply. not expressed.
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Can those "mistakes" be specified?


Absolutely, everything from when capitalism began, to his notion that other systems didn’t have upward mobility without war, to the notion that all humanity would be in poverty without it... just for starters.
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Absolutely, everything from when capitalism began, to his notion that other systems didn’t have upward mobility without war, to the notion that all humanity would be in poverty without it... just for starters.
Interesting. I actually agree with the first point. I'd have to think about the others you raised, especially in relation to the link.
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Old 08-18-2018, 11:17 AM   #945
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Starving Time in Jamestown serves as a lesson against Crusoe Collectivism (although "voluntary socialism" is ethically sound in theory). I don't rule out the possibility of counter-examples, but that absolutely comes to mind.
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So who will be the next Democratic presidential nominee?

Top 3 likely, plus one dark horse.

Anyone? Bueller??
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Depends on the extent of the damage done by collusion and obstruction (both are givens at this point) and how successful the Dems are in the midterms.
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No collusion. No obstruction. Collusion not illegal. Real collusion by Hillary. Lock her up. Witch hunt. Sad
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https://www.yahoo.com/news/report-wh...213802276.html

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Don McGahn, the White House counsel, has been cooperating extensively with special counsel Robert Mueller’s Russia investigation largely in order to shield himself from charges, The New York Times reported Saturday.

McGahn has even divulged information that investigators would not have otherwise been aware of, such as President Donald Trump’s push to fire the special counsel, the paper reported. The Times cited interviews with a dozen current and former White House staffers regarding interviews with McGahn spanning some 30 hours.

The attorney’s cooperation stemmed from an initial recommendation by the president’s original lawyers John Dowd and Ty Cobb, who argued that if Trump has nothing to hide, why not cooperate fully? But McGahn had a change of heart.

He and his own attorney became suspicious of Trump’s desire to allow his White House counsel to speak so freely with Mueller, who is investigating whether Russia colluded with the Trump campaign during the 2016 election.

McGahn began to fear that Trump was setting him up to take the blame for any possible obstruction charges, according to the Times. And so he started talking more ― to protect himself.
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This whole perjury trap thing is such a pile of horse shit,, so I fully expect the Trumpets to go for it hook line and sinker.

Oh, yea... Trump could be dragged into a perjury trap over a he said he/she said situation.

Riiiiiight... like Mueller's been at this for a year and a half and is going to leave the big prize up to one person's word against another's.

One man's word against mountains of evidence isn't a perjury trap. It's just perjury.
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Could be a crazy afternoon and even crazier Trump rally tonight.

Manafort could be charged on 17-18 counts

And reports of Cohen signing a plea deal could happen today
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Cohen has reached a plea deal. Should be interesting indeed.
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Cohen has reached a plea deal. Should be interesting indeed.
Court appearance at 4:00 EDT. The tweet storm is going to be epic.
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Fake news!
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No cooperation deal. Straight plea deal.
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Expected to plead guilty to campaign finance violations, tax fraud, and bank fraud.

I assume the campaign finance violations are potentially the most damaging to Trump? Involving payments to porn stars and Playboy bunnies?
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So who will be the next Democratic presidential nominee?

Top 3 likely, plus one dark horse.

Anyone? Bueller??
1. Anyone with actual political experience

2. Anyone not named Michael Avenatti, but see #1

3. Anyone not named Oprah, but see #1 and #2

Dark Horse: Donald Trump, realizing that he's having no fun as a "Republican," and switching parties. All rallies and campaigning will be bad-mouthing the GOP and pretending he never was part of them.
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Tonight’s WV rally is gonna be lit!
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I mean it's not that far of a drive
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