LuckyNumber7
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Much like everything else, maybe it’s fair to say “sometimes we should and sometimes we shouldn’t.”
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Macfistowannabe
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In general, you should be entitled to a fair hearing and a refutation when there is disagreement, not simply dismissed.
Let us suppose there are exceptions to most every rule. Stormfront is one of them. Though I think it would be commendable to challenge a Nazi type to a debate with reason and evidence as the arbiter. If all they did was viciously insult people that didn't share their heritage, a ban may well be in order. Of course, coming across someone who denies history can be pretty frustrating. The "Holohoax," I've heard it called. It's like running into "prove there's a god" or "prove this is a chair." I personally don't have the patience to put up with much of it.
On to Breitbart... During the days of Andrew Breitbart, that site had a more "Reagan conservative" orientation. Considering that view holds widespread relevance today, I think that material is worth reviewing, and if necessary, debunking.
As I understand it today, they've moved towards a Bannonite nationalist position. It can still face an honest critique.
Macfistowannabe
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Can those "mistakes" be specified?
corianderstem
Blue Crack Distributor
Trump's comments on Aretha Franklin's passing were such an insight into how his egotistical mind works.
"She's worked for me a few times."
No, she sang at a function/event of yours. You may have paid her a fee, but that's not the same thing by a loooooooooooooooong shot.
"She's worked for me a few times."
No, she sang at a function/event of yours. You may have paid her a fee, but that's not the same thing by a loooooooooooooooong shot.
Moonlit_Angel
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Last night on Colbert, they showed a clip of Aretha performing at the Kennedy Center Honors a few years back. The Obamas were there, and they were singing along, and Obama was wiping away the occasional tear, and they were just really getting into her performance in general and it was so cool to watch.
I wanted to go back to that time period so badly. For all kinds of reasons.
I wanted to go back to that time period so badly. For all kinds of reasons.
DaveC
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insults about a person's heritage are a possibly ban-worthy offense, but it's commendable to give a debate platform to someone who's political philosophy involves exterminating people based on their heritage.
that's an interesting position you've taken.
Macfistowannabe
Rock n' Roll Doggie Band-aid
You left out the conditions of the original statement. Those "if/thens" are pretty important, as this demonstrates. Without them, it doesn't reflect my position.
DaveC
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my bad, you're right. it should have said "it's commendable to give a debate platform to someone who's political philosophy involves exterminating people based on their heritage IF they don't just viciously insult people that didn't share their heritage".
that's totally different.
that's totally different.
Macfistowannabe
Rock n' Roll Doggie Band-aid
So it's wrong to ask why they take that position?
Just punch or ignore them instead?
Shame on that pastor who confronted that neo-Nazi, right? Even though it led him to re-evaluate his worldview?
Just punch or ignore them instead?
Shame on that pastor who confronted that neo-Nazi, right? Even though it led him to re-evaluate his worldview?
DaveC
Blue Crack Addict
sure you can talk to any person in private about whatever you want. but suggesting that it's commendable for nazis to be given a platform to debate and present their evidence implies that they should be allowed to do so in public.
personally to me, when one adopts a political position that literally requires starting a race war and mass extermination of entire cultures of people, they forfeit the right to publicly debate in favour of that. there's no legitimate evidence that anyone can present in favour of "genocide is cool, let's do it again".
personally to me, when one adopts a political position that literally requires starting a race war and mass extermination of entire cultures of people, they forfeit the right to publicly debate in favour of that. there's no legitimate evidence that anyone can present in favour of "genocide is cool, let's do it again".
Macfistowannabe
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The movie White Right: Meeting the Enemy took that chance. I have to say it paid off, as it led some to reconsider their views.
Macfistowannabe
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Also... would we be wrong to assume that Stormfront types unanimously favor mass extermination? I think it's mischaracterizing to throw that in on my original response. From White Right, it's more stressed that they don't want to live side by side and associate with other races, and want barriers and mass deportation imposed on those grounds. Yes, they want to use the threat power of the state in this, but any desire to exterminate was either barely mentioned or simply. not expressed.
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BVS
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Absolutely, everything from when capitalism began, to his notion that other systems didn’t have upward mobility without war, to the notion that all humanity would be in poverty without it... just for starters.
Macfistowannabe
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Interesting. I actually agree with the first point. I'd have to think about the others you raised, especially in relation to the link.
Macfistowannabe
Rock n' Roll Doggie Band-aid
Starving Time in Jamestown serves as a lesson against Crusoe Collectivism (although "voluntary socialism" is ethically sound in theory). I don't rule out the possibility of counter-examples, but that absolutely comes to mind.
Bluer White
New Yorker
So who will be the next Democratic presidential nominee?
Top 3 likely, plus one dark horse.
Anyone? Bueller??
Top 3 likely, plus one dark horse.
Anyone? Bueller??
Irvine511
Blue Crack Supplier
Depends on the extent of the damage done by collusion and obstruction (both are givens at this point) and how successful the Dems are in the midterms.
BVS
Blue Crack Supplier
No collusion. No obstruction. Collusion not illegal. Real collusion by Hillary. Lock her up. Witch hunt. Sad
Moonlit_Angel
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This whole perjury trap thing is such a pile of horse shit,, so I fully expect the Trumpets to go for it hook line and sinker.
Oh, yea... Trump could be dragged into a perjury trap over a he said he/she said situation.
Riiiiiight... like Mueller's been at this for a year and a half and is going to leave the big prize up to one person's word against another's.
One man's word against mountains of evidence isn't a perjury trap. It's just perjury.
Oh, yea... Trump could be dragged into a perjury trap over a he said he/she said situation.
Riiiiiight... like Mueller's been at this for a year and a half and is going to leave the big prize up to one person's word against another's.
One man's word against mountains of evidence isn't a perjury trap. It's just perjury.
BoMac
Self-righteous bullshitter
Cohen has reached a plea deal. Should be interesting indeed.
Danny Boy
Rock n' Roll Doggie FOB
Court appearance at 4:00 EDT. The tweet storm is going to be epic.
Fake news!
Danny Boy
Rock n' Roll Doggie FOB
Witch hunt!
No cooperation deal. Straight plea deal.
Danny Boy
Rock n' Roll Doggie FOB
Expected to plead guilty to campaign finance violations, tax fraud, and bank fraud.
I assume the campaign finance violations are potentially the most damaging to Trump? Involving payments to porn stars and Playboy bunnies?
I assume the campaign finance violations are potentially the most damaging to Trump? Involving payments to porn stars and Playboy bunnies?
corianderstem
Blue Crack Distributor
So who will be the next Democratic presidential nominee?
Top 3 likely, plus one dark horse.
Anyone? Bueller??
1. Anyone with actual political experience
2. Anyone not named Michael Avenatti, but see #1
3. Anyone not named Oprah, but see #1 and #2
Dark Horse: Donald Trump, realizing that he's having no fun as a "Republican," and switching parties. All rallies and campaigning will be bad-mouthing the GOP and pretending he never was part of them.
Irvine511
Blue Crack Supplier
Tonight’s WV rally is gonna be lit!
I mean it's not that far of a drive 
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