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Old 07-16-2018, 06:47 PM   #381
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[pedant]well, if the country is being attacked by the foreign adversary in question, doesn't that count?[/pedant]
no, it doesn't. even at the height of the cold war, anyone actively assisting the USSR was charged with espionage, not treason, because there was no declaration or active state of war. if the rosenbergs had taken the nuclear secrets they gave to the soviets and instead handed them to the nazis, that would be treason.

but in any case, saying nice things about the enemy and admiring them isn't treason, even in war time. you have to physically do something to aid the enemy's war effort for it to be treasonous and not just disloyal.

i'm talking about the legal standard, of course the standard for what the public considers "treason" is not nearly as strict.

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Well, Fox News seems divided on Treason Summit. Luckily, they have Tucker Carlson around to bring it back to good old fashioned white supremacy.

Since I'm Mexican-America, I guess I'm really just an agent of Mexico.



I am fairly sure he would think of you as “just” Mexican. Because when else has he shown anything more?
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no, it doesn't. even at the height of the cold war, anyone actively assisting the USSR was charged with espionage, not treason, because there was no declaration or active state of war. if the rosenbergs had taken the nuclear secrets they gave to the soviets and instead handed them to the nazis, that would be treason.

but in any case, saying nice things about the enemy and admiring them isn't treason, even in war time. you have to physically do something to aid the enemy's war effort for it to be treasonous and not just disloyal.

i'm talking about the legal standard, of course the standard for what the public considers "treason" is not nearly as strict.

hehe

i just wonder if this situation will eventually be deemed a state of war though, a new kind of war...
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can we not blindly make insinuations with zero evidence about children being raped please? that's some pizzagate-level shit. we're better than that.
There's actually smoke to the Trump story (and Bill Clinton, too)... whereas Pizzagate was the stupidest thing ever created.

Trump did hang around Epstein often, has publicly admitted to walking into Miss Teen USA locker rooms, and has had suits brought against him by a minor (which was ultimately dropped). His ex wife also says that he raped her.

All of these things should have disqualified him from being nominated, let alone winning. And it's just the surface of his assholery.

So not quite pizza level...

Donald Trump has the moral compass of a pile of shit.
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We were talking about this and my husband opined that even a video of Trump having sex with underage girls wouldn't deter his supporters. Underage boys, maybe.
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We were talking about this and my husband opined that even a video of Trump having sex with underage girls wouldn't deter his supporters. Underage boys, maybe.
He could shoot someone in the middle of 5th avenue and people would still support him.
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We were talking about this and my husband opined that even a video of Trump having sex with underage girls wouldn't deter his supporters. Underage boys, maybe.
And that's deeply depressing to think about. On so many levels.
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We were talking about this and my husband opined that even a video of Trump having sex with underage girls wouldn't deter his supporters. Underage boys, maybe.
Well that's because it's all part of the plan Jesus laid forth for him.
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Anyone think the point of this summit was for Putin to show the world he’s boss ?

What better way to show you’re the most powerful figure in the world than to call the POTUS your puppet
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Anyone think the point of this summit was for Putin to show the world he’s boss ?

What better way to show you’re the most powerful figure in the world than to call the POTUS your puppet
I don't think that was the point of the summit, as I believe it was initiated by Trump. But it sure is one of its conclusions.
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Well, Fox News seems divided on Treason Summit. Luckily, they have Tucker Carlson around to bring it back to good old fashioned white supremacy.

Since I'm Mexican-America, I guess I'm really just an agent of Mexico.



Tucker Carlson is a straight up white nationalist and has been for a while, there's a great Vox video about it...there's a reason why Oregonropa loved him so much.
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Hey everybody who had the slightest bit of hope that today would change things for Republicans! I'm here to crush your hopes and dreams

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/repu...ry?id=56632046
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Hey everybody who had the slightest bit of hope that today would change things for Republicans! I'm here to crush your hopes and dreams

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/repu...ry?id=56632046
I had no hope so you didn’t crush my dreams
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The GOP has to be freaking out.

Same with the NRA
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And just as I thought trumpets are still defending him! Will these people ever wake up and smell the coffee?
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And just as I thought trumpets are still defending him! Will these people ever wake up and smell the coffee?
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But but but Hillary, but but Obama, but but the Easter bunny!
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There's actually smoke to the Trump story (and Bill Clinton, too)... whereas Pizzagate was the stupidest thing ever created.

Trump did hang around Epstein often, has publicly admitted to walking into Miss Teen USA locker rooms, and has had suits brought against him by a minor (which was ultimately dropped). His ex wife also says that he raped her.

All of these things should have disqualified him from being nominated, let alone winning. And it's just the surface of his assholery.

So not quite pizza level...

Donald Trump has the moral compass of a pile of shit.
Indeed. Why do people think Dershowitz is so keen on defending Trump?
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The GOP has to be freaking out.

Same with the NRA
Why?

This hasn't been a secret.

People have simply either chosen to believe or not believe the reports.

The stories about the NRA being used to funnel money into the GOP from Russia have been around for months.
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Indeed. Why do people think Dershowitz is so keen on defending Trump?
Exactly.
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I think it's been understated how the hero worship of Bill Clinton has poisoned the Democrats. Even just looking at the 2016 presidential election, how dulled were Hillary Clinton's attacks on Trump for his rampant sexual assault accusations by the fact that she had attacked her husband's accusers?
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