They're trying to get around collective bargaining by issuing a policy that gives options in hopes that the NFLPA won't bitch too much.
They know full well that they have much bigger issues than this... they just would like it to go away.
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They know full well that they have much bigger issues than this... they just would like it to go away.
ImOuttaControl
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No, when at work they aren't practicing their 1st amendment rights. The 1st Amendment only protects our right to speak, write, worship, petition and assemble against government interference and punishment. Employers, private citizens...etc are not bound to the same standard as the government and businesses can most definitely can limit the speech of their employees while on the job. Hate to break it to you.
And if you truly believe that these protests have not affected viewership, then go for it. They most certainly have: https://www.forbes.com/sites/mikeoz...agues-broadcasters-and-sponsors/#1093086449ab
From a business standpoint, NFL owners looked at their bottom line, viewership andunanimously came to this decision. Many of these same owners have been outspoken in their criticism of Trump. If this hasn't effected revenue and viewership and personally disagree with the President, when why pass such a rule?
To get people like you to shut up about it?
I'm sure that viewership will skyrocket next year now that people can again watch large men turn their brains into mush without worrying about their political beliefs.
And I never said that there aren't plenty of dopes out there who are offended by this. But hey, if you want to believe an unscientific poll over, oh I don't know, years of market research and toss it all on a few players taking a knee? Sure have it Hoss.
This issue was an obvious distraction. The NFL moved to try and eliminate the distraction. If they, or you, think that this will solve their ratings problem, you're/they're nuts.
Knowing many people who work in the league office? Yea, they know this is just one of many reasons why ratings have been in a downward spiral since we'll before a single player took a knee.
ImOuttaControl
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The amount of assumptions you make is incredible. Not only have I been in a public union for years, but I've also been in the union leadership and negotiations committees so I probably have just a little background into labor law and how these things work. "Normally" be collectively bargained? No, not the actions of players are engaging in behaviors/activities at work that are having an immediate impact on viewership and revenue, the primary "product" of the NFL. But thanks for playing.
I'm sure the NFLPA's response that they will challenge any aspect of this ruling that is inconsistent with the CBA because they're just dummies who don't know what they're talking about.
ImOuttaControl
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Ha! I'm not the one who brought it up! Maybe if people like you would stop whining and bitching about it I wouldn't have commented. Personally I don't care about the protests, but simply commented due to the fact that the employers have every right to limit the speech of their employees, when people like yourself continue to push the false narrative that this is all about free speech.
If you want to make this about an unscientific poll, even an idiot can tell you that all you have to do is spend time on social media during the NFL season and see the arguments taking place to know this is affecting the NFL.
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ImOuttaControl
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They will because that's their job, and they'll probably lose. You brought up the NBA earlier. They also have rules that prohibit their players from kneeling during the anthem. I bet those owners are a bunch of racist neanderthals too.
Moonlit_Angel
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I just wish there was this much outrage when our own president and his administration go out and actually insult and disrespect veterans/the military and their families point blank.
-concussions
-an increase in injuries to major stars
-major TV markets having shitty teams
-an inability to make a serious dent on the #2 TV market, even since putting teams there 2 years ago
-parity creating shitty play
-dilution of product by offering too many games outside of the traditional sunday window
-cord cutting
-kids aren't playing anymore
-more options than ever before
-more interest in fantasy and daily fantasy than actually rooting for a team
-RedZone
-illegal internet streaming of games to get around the DirecTV strangle hold
-players protesting the national anthem
Congrats. One thing is off the list. Can't wait to see those skyrocketing NFL ratings next year.
-an increase in injuries to major stars
-major TV markets having shitty teams
-an inability to make a serious dent on the #2 TV market, even since putting teams there 2 years ago
-parity creating shitty play
-dilution of product by offering too many games outside of the traditional sunday window
-cord cutting
-kids aren't playing anymore
-more options than ever before
-more interest in fantasy and daily fantasy than actually rooting for a team
-RedZone
-illegal internet streaming of games to get around the DirecTV strangle hold
-players protesting the national anthem
Congrats. One thing is off the list. Can't wait to see those skyrocketing NFL ratings next year.
LuckyNumber7
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I’m curious. Do you not acknowledge that half of the owners are indeed “racist Neanderthals”? Because it’s pretty apparent that there’s a dichotomy of owners. Must I remind you that when news got word of the last mega-racist owner, he was forced out of the league.
Do you think Donald Sterling is the only one of his kind? Or did few come to his defense for the very same reason you’re making? Bad for business. Of course the owner’s decision over kneeling is business and business only. That doesn’t mean they as individuals don’t have a racist bit in their bones.
Do you think Donald Sterling is the only one of his kind? Or did few come to his defense for the very same reason you’re making? Bad for business. Of course the owner’s decision over kneeling is business and business only. That doesn’t mean they as individuals don’t have a racist bit in their bones.
They will because that's their job, and they'll probably lose. You brought up the NBA earlier. They also have rules that prohibit their players from kneeling during the anthem. I bet those owners are a bunch of racist neanderthals too.
we do!
the league office also reached out to the player's union and worked with them in advance to avoid an issue, and has an all around stellar record when it comes to allowing players to speak their minds - and was supportive of the Warriors and LeBron when they/he had run ins with POTUS and/or the right wing media.
how'd that white house NBA visit go this year?
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DaveC
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it's pretty amazing how your team winning the championship makes you care so little about the offseason.
LuckyNumber7
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Dave this is the politics thread.
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Moonlit_Angel
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I wonder, were there people in this level of denial/inaction during the days of Watergate, too? Did some of the American public not care or show any awareness of what happened until it all finally came out? Or is this whole situation with Trump a new phenomenon in that regard? The Watergate investigation took a couple years, too, didn't it, before the public finally knew just what all went down?
I do share your despair, though. It's amazing how people aren't taking to the streets over this stuff, or aren't showing more investment in the situation. I think too many people expect some big dramatic moment, and they're ignoring all the smaller (yet no less significant) details that are piling up.
dazzledbylight
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hi ml 
Mix of despair, fear and determination, hope.
Maybe because I listen to Public Radio I get more hope, etc.
trump is in Long Island and maybe Manhattan later for a fund raiser.
I'm sure there will be protests.
With his demand that the justice dept investigate itself, some worry about the "Saturday Night Massacre" senario
Surprised he didn't put his demand on parchment paper and "say" - I hearby decree" :/
Mix of despair, fear and determination, hope.
Maybe because I listen to Public Radio I get more hope, etc.
trump is in Long Island and maybe Manhattan later for a fund raiser.
I'm sure there will be protests.
With his demand that the justice dept investigate itself, some worry about the "Saturday Night Massacre" senario
Surprised he didn't put his demand on parchment paper and "say" - I hearby decree" :/
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BVS
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So how does that equate to artists’ management in your head?
Does Live Nation have the right to limit their artists’ behavior?
Quick! Somebody call the folks at Nobel!
Irvine511
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Guys, no one knew North Korea was so complicated.
Irvine511
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Kim: call me, maybe?
Danny Boy
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BoMac
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This, but also I think fantasy football has, to a large degree, contributed to the declining ratings.
Players are just commodities now, so who needs to watch anymore? All you need to do is check the stats Monday morning, read the injury reports, analyze the expert's opinions, and set your weekly lineup. Rinse and repeat.
Indeed...
So what big bombshell is dropping over the next 24 hours?
Danny Boy
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Pence is a dummy if he thought threatening NK would "end like Libya" was an effective negotiating tactic.
Sounds like he's as ham-handed as everyone else on Team Trump.
Sounds like he's as ham-handed as everyone else on Team Trump.
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And NK will send a few nuke tipped ICBMs to the west coast of the States in return.
Yea, they can't do this.
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