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Old 04-30-2018, 07:15 PM   #161
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Lolz

Captain Contrarian strikes again.
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Old 04-30-2018, 07:46 PM   #162
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Lolz

Captain Contrarian strikes again.


You spelled ‘honesty broker’ incorrectly.
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I just read that whole transcript twice.

Some parts were a bit mean, but what was sexist or over the line about it? Isn't this always a roast??

And for God's sake can we please retire the strawman trope about what we all would have done had this happened to to President Hillary (pro tip: she'll never be President) and the implication that women scream about sexism anytime a woman is criticized. It's so old and so stupid.
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And for God's sake can we please retire the strawman trope about what we all would have done had this happened to to President Hillary (pro tip: she'll never be President) and the implication that women scream about sexism anytime a woman is criticized. It's so old and so stupid.
I feel like a lot of people on the right who try and make that argument seem to forget that not everyone on the left was a fan of Hillary, either, and may have found jokes about her just as funny.

Hell, those that do like her could easily handle and laugh at some jokes about her, too.
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I never said anything in the skit was sexiest, just that if and when roles are reversed sexism is one of the first labels thrown out there. Just like labeling anyone who opposed Obama as an obvious racist.

And yes, I'd like someone to show me the mythical golden age where presidents and press secretaries didn't lie. (Bush=we do not torture, Obama= The government does not spy on you, if you like your doctor you can keep your doctor...etc)
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Old 04-30-2018, 08:41 PM   #166
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Just like labeling anyone who opposed Obama as an obvious racist.
Again, a tired old trope.

When Trump went birther, that was based in racism.

When Republicans e-mailed ha-ha photos of the Obamas on the bodies of gorillas, that was racist.

When people criticized Obama for say, his "red line" in Libya, that was not racist, nor were they all "labeled" as obvious racists.

Let's stop making this up too.
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And for God's sake can we please retire the strawman trope about what we all would have done had this happened to to President Hillary (pro tip: she'll never be President) and the implication that women scream about sexism anytime a woman is criticized. It's so old and so stupid.


There has to be a part of Hillary that laughs about the persistent stranglehold she has on the Right's imagination.
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Guess we can all stop talking about smokey eye now...
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To be fair, pretty sure that ImOuttaControl is talking about how some people would point to a criticism of Obama as racist even though there was no basis in that. It did happen alongside the actual racism that happened.

Same re Clinton. There would be people crying sexism at any criticism even when it's not there.

Maybe someone criticizing Obama/Clinton IS racist/sexist deep down, but it's stupid to assume or generalize that all criticism is rooted in that.
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Also, can we retire this "elite" bullshit? This Koch-backed couple who were all sniffy about Wolf's speech are just the worst kind of disingenuous.
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Mueller Has Dozens of Inquiries for Trump in Broad Quest on Russia Ties and Obstruction https://nyti.ms/2Kos2BI
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Also, can we retire this "elite" bullshit? This Koch-backed couple who were all sniffy about Wolf's speech are just the worst kind of disingenuous.
God, yes, please. I'd love to see that and the whole "people who live on the coasts just don't understand the people in middle America/share their values" (and vice versa) BS die.
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Again, a tired old trope.

When Trump went birther, that was based in racism.

When Republicans e-mailed ha-ha photos of the Obamas on the bodies of gorillas, that was racist.

When people criticized Obama for say, his "red line" in Libya, that was not racist, nor were they all "labeled" as obvious racists.

Let's stop making this up too.
The amount of times I encountered people over those 8 years who literally said that opposition to Obama in general was because "people just can't deal with having a black president" as well as reading it on this forum says to the contrary.

I never said racism was non existent nor that the racism label was always used in every instance, but in my experience it is something I heard as a teacher, colleague and in discussions with my liberal friends all the time. Labels are used all the time to shut down discourse.
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So, when Kim meets Trump at the DMZ, do you think he kills him on the spot?
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nevermind.
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(sigh).

I was saying, as you should have known, that there's always a line, and that if you think, for example, racism and sexism crosses a line, but cruelly mocking someone to their face doesn't, it just means that you place the line differently than others would.

In any event, it is possible, Irvine511, to object to something that was neither racist or sexist.
it's not cruelly mocking them to their face, it's calling people, who should know better given their public position, out on their rank hypocrisy
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So we’re all agreed now, re: the questions: obstruction is a slam dunk, and Jared is guilty AF.
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So we’re all agreed now, re: the questions: obstruction is a slam dunk, and Jared is guilty AF.
Sorry, this isn't one of your Occupy protests or Resistance Cell meetings. Call and Response/Mic Check/Group Agreement doesn't work here.
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So we’re all agreed now, re: the questions: obstruction is a slam dunk, and Jared is guilty AF.
Depends on whether or not you're an honest broker
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