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Old 06-18-2018, 05:53 PM   #761
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You coming tonight?


Naw I’m day 1 on big boy work, and still here :0
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Old 06-18-2018, 05:55 PM   #762
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Old 06-18-2018, 06:16 PM   #764
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There were definitely people saying the two parties were "basically the same" in the lead-up to the election. I understand that thinking to an extent. But now that we're in Trumpworld? LOL, yeah they're not the same.

That quote on the mural? It's from Art of the Deal. Because of course it is.
People who were trying to make the point that Clinton had far too right wing policies on some economic matters and foreign policy matters for their tastes got lazy and said stupid shit like "Clinton and Trump are the same." It was an asinine thing to say, though I think few if any of the people who said it actually meant it. I think it was more of a Twitter meme that got out of control sort of thing. Doesn't excuse it, but I think it's overblown how much impact it had. It's like people blaming Jill Stein or Susan Sarandon, as if there's an imagined group of millions of voters who sat out because the lady from the movies said she didn't like Hillary.

The people who sat out the election did so because they felt like Clinton didn't offer them anything. After all, Clinton's statement was "America is already great." For those who it wasn't great for, I have to imagine that wasn't what they wanted to hear.
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maybe your former CEO?
Ugh, don't get me started.
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Poll taken shows 60% of Republicans approve of the child separation

So now can we call them Deplorables ?
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Old 06-18-2018, 07:47 PM   #767
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So now can we call them Deplorables ?
I swear, I just don't recognize my country anymore - or at least one-half of it. I really do live in a liberal bubble here in NYC.

But as I said, I do have family who voted for Trump and grew up in an area that favors Trump a great deal. And all that I can come up with to explain this is that, these people simply do not want non-whites here in America.

I mean, there are illegal Irish, Russian and so on here. Are they being rounded up? Are their children being taken away from them? No, just brown people are targeted.
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I live in a state smack dab in middle America that went overwhelmingly for Trump in 2016. Nobody in my immediate family voted for him, but many of my relatives did.

And I'm as mystified as you are. I honestly thought my state was much smarter than that. Fortunately, support for Trump has been (slowly) decreasing here in recent times, from what I've heard, but still...

You're absolutely right that this is a blatantly racist thing. How much more proof do we need to show that racism was a huge part of why Trump got the support he did, if not THE main reason?
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Poll taken shows 60% of Republicans approve of the child separation

So now can we call them Deplorables ?
No.

They are the party of family values.
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When you only get your news from one source, to the exclusion of all others.


https://twitter.com/gregpmiller/stat...670292992?s=21
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Old 06-18-2018, 10:23 PM   #772
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https://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_5...2f079271d1/amp

I hope this link works.

It explains how Bill Clinton’s anti-immigration laws laid the groundwork for Trump’s EOs. The article is from last year, though.
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I hope this link works.

It explains how Bill Clinton’s anti-immigration laws laid the groundwork for Trump’s EOs. The article is from last year, though.


Yeah I don’t think this happened overnight, and I do imagine a fair bit of it is a media whip-up.

Doesn’t make it right, of course.
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Essentially this means, “give us the wall and we’ll release the kids”.

Just despicable.
https://twitter.com/nbcnews/status/1...882826241?s=21
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I wonder what is next ?
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Essentially this means, “give us the wall and we’ll release the kids”.

Just despicable.
https://twitter.com/nbcnews/status/1...882826241?s=21
This whole thing is the fault of two actors. First, the Mexicans who refuse to pay for the wall like Trump promised. Second, the Democrats, who in a minority position without ability to govern are refusing to pay for the wall, thus being in traitorous cahoots with the Mexicans.

We still don't know where the toddlers and the girls are. That idiot woman Nielsen said she didn't know and would have to "look into it." Wonderful.
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Essentially this means, “give us the wall and we’ll release the kids”.

Just despicable.
https://twitter.com/nbcnews/status/1...882826241?s=21
In Dutch we have an expression that translates (badly) to "Such as the host is will he trust his guests." (Sorry, don't know of an/the equivalent expression in English)
This is another example how Trump and his administration project their own behaviour on others. They speak of child-actors and criminals entering the US using children as human shields. Where it turns out Trump is the one who uses children as the bargaining chip for his pet projects.
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This whole thing is the fault of two actors. First, the Mexicans who refuse to pay for the wall like Trump promised. Second, the Democrats, who in a minority position without ability to govern are refusing to pay for the wall, thus being in traitorous cahoots with the Mexicans.

Germany did actually build a wall, you know. The Siegfried Line. It failed. Just like France's Maginot Line before it. And China's Great Wall was supposed to keep out the Mongols, who ended up ruling China a long time. But none of them ever got their enemies to pay for the wall, so that would be something
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france definitely got germany to pay for the maginot line, they ended up having a bit of a squabble about it afterwards. the germans got their investment back with a nice return then promptly lost it all in a risky speculative venture in the east.
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