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Old 06-09-2018, 07:10 PM   #581
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Trump wants to use a nuke and bad.
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I don’t get the purpose of predicting Trump’s North Korea project. Give the man an ounce of credit - it takes a lunatic to know a lunatic. He’s done a good job in that sphere so far. Probably the only good thing he’s done.
I agree but given trumps history, somehow I think he will fuck it up and come up with some excuse to make himself look good and blame NK.
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between this and the reports of him just planning to wing it at the north korea summit i'm starting to think that he's stopped even pretending to give a shit about actually being president
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If that's true, THEN WHY THE HELL DOESN'T HE JUST QUIT ALREADY?! Jesus, just put us all out of our misery and go away if you hate your job this much.

That picture truly just says it all. What a petulant little brat. He just looks so damn punchable. Somebody needs to just tell him point blank to grow the fuck up and get over himself already. I doubt he'll listen, mind, but it'd just be really satisfying to hear somebody say that regardless.

Re: North Korea, one thing about this whole situation that reassures me some is how much work South Korea's been doing to kinda keep things under control. If anyone's going to manage this situation with any sort of decency and calm, it's clearly them.
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I agree but given trumps history, somehow I think he will fuck it up and come up with some excuse to make himself look good and blame NK.


I disagree. He’s no master deal maker. NK has all the chips.

They get to finally sit with a US President.

They will most likely get sanctions lifted.

The demolition of their testing site was nothing more than a photo op.

NK will not denuclearize.

What is the US getting out of this ?
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If that's true, THEN WHY THE HELL DOESN'T HE JUST QUIT ALREADY?! Jesus, just put us all out of our misery and go away if you hate your job this much.

That picture truly just says it all. What a petulant little brat. He just looks so damn punchable. Somebody needs to just tell him point blank to grow the fuck up and get over himself already. I doubt he'll listen, mind, but it'd just be really satisfying to hear somebody say that regardless.
He doesn't want to be president. He wants to be dictator. And Trump supporters like what he is doing. The way they see it, he is putting America first and MAGA. Apparently, being a bully and tormenting our socialist allies is what they want.

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Re: North Korea, one thing about this whole situation that reassures me some is how much work South Korea's been doing to kinda keep things under control. If anyone's going to manage this situation with any sort of decency and calm, it's clearly them.
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I disagree. He’s no master deal maker. NK has all the chips.

They get to finally sit with a US President.

They will most likely get sanctions lifted.

The demolition of their testing site was nothing more than a photo op.

NK will not denuclearize.

What is the US getting out of this ?
Access to another dictator. First Putin, then the leader of the Phillipines (Duarte? His name escapes me). A whole new world order, safe from socialism because it is so freaking terrible.
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President Donald Trump said Saturday that his relationships with other Western leaders are perfect, but the truth is the transatlantic alliance has never been so split.

Trump angrily hit back at suggestions that he had thrown the West into turmoil at the G7 summit in Canada, branding a question over any downturn in relations as "fake news." Yet Trump showed up late and left early from a summit that highlighted gaping divides within the bloc of democratic industrialized nations that America nurtured.
He insisted that the Quebec summit had been "tremendously, tremendously successful" despite accusing other nations of using the United States as a "piggy bank."
Trump's early departure for Singapore, where he meets North Korean leader Kim Jong Un next week, showed his disdain for summit's Saturday afternoon discussion of climate change.
And he cast doubt on the relevance of the summit itself, saying it would be more meaningful if Russia, which was kicked out of the G8 after annexing Crimea in a move seen as a grave threat by European powers, was let back into the grouping.
But when he was asked about frustrations flying between him and other leaders like French President Emmanuel Macron and Canada's Prime Minister Justin Trudeau, he reacted angrily.
"I would say the level of relationship is a 10. We have a great relationship. Angela (Merkel) and Emmanuel (Macron), Justin (Trudeau). I would say the relationship is a 10," Trump said.
His anger was revealing of his operating method as President, his attitude towards America's traditional foreign policy positions and his skill in using theatrical moments on the world stage to send a strong message to his loyal voters back home.
Trump's hyperbolic praise for a summit that was evidently discordant shows his refusal to allow any venture in which he is involved to be portrayed as anything other than a roaring success.
It's far from the first time Trump has created an alternative reality that serves his political narrative.
The President's comments also show how he views international diplomacy through the prism of personal connections with other leaders.
This is a holdover from his days as a deal closing real estate executive. It also hints at his view that lavish receptions he has received in places like China and Saudi Arabia are signs of unusual respect for him personally, and thus, show US ties with such states have never been better.
Trump's critics argue he is fixated on optics and risks falling prey to foreign states who use personal flattery as a way to get what they want from him on more meaningful issues.
So while Macron, who winked at Trump when he turned up late for breakfast Saturday, and Trudeau and British Prime Minister Theresa May all may have been cordial towards him, that doesn't mean that they are not frustrated and perplexed at the same time.
One senior European diplomat rejected Trump's 10-out-of-10 assessment.
"He must mean there are 10 things on which we totally disagree. Or like the title of the movie, '10 Things I Hate About You,'" the diplomat told CNN's Michelle Kosinski.

G6+1

In the days before the summit, European leaders made no secret of the fact that there were fundamental disagreements with Trump, leading some observers to dub the summit the G6+1.
"The American President may not mind being isolated, but neither do we mind signing a 6 country agreement if need be. Because these 6 countries represent values, they represent an economic market which has the weight of history behind it and which is now a true international force," Macron, who sources said also had a difficult call with Trump, tweeted on Thursday.

Trudeau and Trump also had an acrimonious exchange over the phone over his decision to impose steel and aluminum tariffs on US allies, CNN has reported. And before he left for Quebec, Trump accused the European Union and Canada of treating the US "unfairly."
And Chancellor Angela Merkel has made clear her disquiet with Trump's policies, arguing that Germany may no longer be able to rely on its US ally.
Her spokesman Steffen Seibert tweeted a picture that seemed to capture the mood of the summit.
Merkel, hands on a table, is leaning over the President who, seated, looks defiant, with his arms crossed, with national security adviser John Bolton peering over his shoulder.
Macron is also engaging Trump -- while Japanese Prime Minister Shinzo Abe is standing with arms folded and with a resigned look on his face.
Another view, tweeted by White House social media director Dan Scavino shows the same exchange but in a less tense moment, with some officials grinning.

It's about more than personalities

At their root, tensions between Trump and fellow leaders run deeper than personality.
In European capitals, officials complain that the US President's populist nationalism and economic sovereignty arguments reject values that have bolstered the West since World War II.
There have been tensions and trade spats before. In 2003, France and Germany broke with the United States in a bitter dispute over the US invasion of Iraq. But the West has never been so divided over ideology.
And no US President has been so solicitous to the West's foes, like Russian President Vladimir Putin and China's President Xi Jinping, and treated America's partners as adversaries.
Trump's faithfulness to his election promises on pulling out of the Paris climate deal and the Iran nuclear pact also caused splits with allies who believe both agreements are critical to their national security.
Many Europeans view Trump's claim that climate change is a hoax, his policies on immigration, his racial and religious rhetoric and his "America First" ideology as antithetical to European values.
Trump has frequently expressed disdain for the EU and was an enthusiastic cheerleader after Britain voted to leave the bloc.
And he also has a sophisticated understanding of his own political interests -- and while critics chide him for tarnishing America's global image, he knows that his base loves to see him turning up at a summit and chiding liberal elites from Europe and elsewhere on trade.
A year into his presidency, it is now clear that efforts by foreign leaders to manage and temper the unpredictable US leader have failed, and that he is who he said he would be.
That leaves America's allies with a huge problem.

This is from CNN, btw.


He's doing what his supporters want. Trump supporters hate/fear anything liberal and left-wing, and want it destroyed however possible. Blame 50% of America for this, not him.

And I want to say as an American, I am totally embarrassed and ashamed to be an American now, and I want to apologize to the world about Trump and his supporters. A good portion may not like Trump, but a good portion do love everything he does. All because we had a liberal Black president for 8 years.
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HERE is a Saturday morning joke for you guys for a good laugh! Trump says asbestos poisoning is a mob led conspiracy and that asbestos is completely safe so he instructed the EPA not to do anything about asbestos in the environment hahaha funny joke..... oh wait... it’s not a joke??


dear lord, I had not heard this yet.
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Do you think Trump has ever considered the possibility that he overuses the word "tremendous" to the point of it being meaningless?

I think it may be the biggest word he knows.
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dear lord, I had not heard this yet.
Yep I thought it was seriusly a joke! But here it is;


http://www.newsweek.com/pruitt-trump...703?yptr=yahoo

And also there’s is this;

https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/201.../chem-j09.html
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If that's true, THEN WHY THE HELL DOESN'T HE JUST QUIT ALREADY?! Jesus, just put us all out of our misery and go away if you hate your job this much.

That picture truly just says it all. What a petulant little brat. He just looks so damn punchable. Somebody needs to just tell him point blank to grow the fuck up and get over himself already. I doubt he'll listen, mind, but it'd just be really satisfying to hear somebody say that regardless.

Re: North Korea, one thing about this whole situation that reassures me some is how much work South Korea's been doing to kinda keep things under control. If anyone's going to manage this situation with any sort of decency and calm, it's clearly them.
Because he's making money?
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It’s not about the money. It’s about the power trip.
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The part of this argument that many on the left never include is that WE have been paying tariffs to these other countries. So we should continue to allow ourselves to be screwed in trade by these other countries? Are they getting rid of their tariffs? If course not. I despise Donald Trump, but I try to view policies separate from the person.

Obama was all about letting other countries run all over us, and us paying the bill while he bowed to them.

Fair trade is not too much to ask.
you clearly have no clue how this works

please educate yourself, thanks!
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It’s not about the money. It’s about the power trip.
I think both. You have foreign dignitaries stat my at his DC hotel. And other more convoluted situation, I'm sure
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you clearly have no clue how this works

please educate yourself, thanks!
Mama C, could you elaborate a bit on your international trade thoughts?
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It’s not about the money. It’s about the power trip.
Nah.

It's Donald Trump. It's always about the money.
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Nah.

It's Donald Trump. It's always about the money.


The guy who isn’t as rich as he says he is, but in lieu puts his name on water bottles, steaks, airlines, his private planes, hotels, casinos, real estate, blah blah blah?

I think he’s more about the ego.
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The guy who isn’t as rich as he says he is, but in lieu puts his name on water bottles, steaks, airlines, his private planes, hotels, casinos, real estate, blah blah blah?

I think he’s more about the ego.
Well yes, but it's still about wealth - be it actual or perceived.
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you clearly have no clue how this works

please educate yourself, thanks!
Enlighten me. Where am I wrong? Tell me the US hasn’t been basically paying the most in every financial transaction or deal that Obama (and others before him) got us involved in. Paris Climate? Sure all the other countries were for it, because we were paying for it! Iran deal? Yeah, let’s give them more money? Explain to me 1. How these trade deals are fair for America? 2. Why it’s wrong to hold other countries to the same trade standards as us.

And please don’t be like Bernie, and tell me it’s because America is so much richer than anyone else, because umm, if we are financially stronger and richer (which we are by the way), it’s because of free market capitalism, not globalist socialism
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