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Old 05-23-2018, 03:19 PM   #401
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They will because that's their job, and they'll probably lose. You brought up the NBA earlier. They also have rules that prohibit their players from kneeling during the anthem. I bet those owners are a bunch of racist neanderthals too.
we do!

the league office also reached out to the player's union and worked with them in advance to avoid an issue, and has an all around stellar record when it comes to allowing players to speak their minds - and was supportive of the Warriors and LeBron when they/he had run ins with POTUS and/or the right wing media.

how'd that white house NBA visit go this year?
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it's pretty amazing how your team winning the championship makes you care so little about the offseason.

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Dave this is the politics thread.
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Nothing matters anymore. The norms, the candor, and the checks and balances.

I think Trump burns this whole thing down. No clue what it looks like after he's done.

Mueller is probably another year away from finishing his investigation. The longer it goes, the more the public will disengage and not care.

I saw a poll that said 59% aren't even aware that there have been any charges in the investigation.

We have a congress that is complicit, and deathly afraid of losing their power.

What is stopping Russia from hacking the 2018 midterms? Nothing.

Guess I'm in a bad mood, but I'm tired of hearing about "checks and balances" when they are failing.
I wonder, were there people in this level of denial/inaction during the days of Watergate, too? Did some of the American public not care or show any awareness of what happened until it all finally came out? Or is this whole situation with Trump a new phenomenon in that regard? The Watergate investigation took a couple years, too, didn't it, before the public finally knew just what all went down?

I do share your despair, though. It's amazing how people aren't taking to the streets over this stuff, or aren't showing more investment in the situation. I think too many people expect some big dramatic moment, and they're ignoring all the smaller (yet no less significant) details that are piling up.
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hi ml

Mix of despair, fear and determination, hope.

Maybe because I listen to Public Radio I get more hope, etc.

trump is in Long Island and maybe Manhattan later for a fund raiser.
I'm sure there will be protests.

With his demand that the justice dept investigate itself, some worry about the "Saturday Night Massacre" senario

Surprised he didn't put his demand on parchment paper and "say" - I hearby decree" :/
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No, it's really not any different from any other workplace. And many professions have people who are public figures "always on the clock." It comes down to when you are contractually obligated to perform a task or service for your employer. In the case of the NFL, the owners have every right to limit the behavior of their employees while at work, especially when those behaviors are affecting the bottom line of the business.


So how does that equate to artists’ management in your head?

Does Live Nation have the right to limit their artists’ behavior?
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“I feel it is inappropriate, at this time, to have this long-planned meeting,” President Trump wrote to Kim in a letter released by the White House.

The summit had been planned for June 12 in Singapore.
This is a developing story. It will be updated.
Quick! Somebody call the folks at Nobel!
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I just bought five thousand Trump/Kim Summit coins too. God damn it trump
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Guys, no one knew North Korea was so complicated.
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Kim: call me, maybe?
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Mike Pence, what a snowflake?
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Quick! Somebody call the folks at Nobel!
Just following through.

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Viewership has slipped because less people are participating in football. There's less overall interest in the sport. Viewership has been dropping long before Colin Kaepernick ever took a knee. This is a 4 year trend.

NBA players are highly outspoken, much moreso than NFL players, and viewership is up 17% year over year.

NASCAR ratings, btw? Down. As are college football ratings. As are, ya know, TV ratings as a whole.


I have no doubt that there are some people (I like to refer to them as assholes) who are so offended by somebody practicing their first amendment rights of protest (it's the one before the 2nd in case you were wondering) that they wouldn't watch football anymore, but alas... this being the reason that NFL ratings are down is, to quote your fearless leader, FAKE NEWS!!!
This, but also I think fantasy football has, to a large degree, contributed to the declining ratings.

Players are just commodities now, so who needs to watch anymore? All you need to do is check the stats Monday morning, read the injury reports, analyze the expert's opinions, and set your weekly lineup. Rinse and repeat.
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This, but also I think fantasy football has, to a large degree, contributed to the declining ratings.

Players are just commodities now, so who needs to watch anymore? All you need to do is check the stats Monday morning, read the injury reports, analyze the expert's opinions, and set your weekly lineup. Rinse and repeat.
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-concussions
-an increase in injuries to major stars
-major TV markets having shitty teams
-an inability to make a serious dent on the #2 TV market, even since putting teams there 2 years ago
-parity creating shitty play
-dilution of product by offering too many games outside of the traditional sunday window
-cord cutting
-kids aren't playing anymore
-more options than ever before
-more interest in fantasy and daily fantasy than actually rooting for a team
-RedZone
-illegal internet streaming of games to get around the DirecTV strangle hold
-players protesting the national anthem



Congrats. One thing is off the list. Can't wait to see those skyrocketing NFL ratings next year.
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So what big bombshell is dropping over the next 24 hours?
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We are going to bomb NK for calling Pence a dummy
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Pence is a dummy if he thought threatening NK would "end like Libya" was an effective negotiating tactic.

Sounds like he's as ham-handed as everyone else on Team Trump.
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We are going to bomb NK for calling Pence a dummy
And NK will send a few nuke tipped ICBMs to the west coast of the States in return.
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And NK will send a few nuke tipped ICBMs to the west coast of the States in return.
Yea, they can't do this.
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