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Old 03-30-2018, 10:50 AM   #801
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You are seriously the most ignorant, narrow minded, bigoted person on this forum.
ok so i literally just spat my tea out

guess you don't know irvine very well at all then

remove the plank out of your eye dude - it seems to be blocking your view!!
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You are seriously the most ignorant, narrow minded, bigoted person on this forum.

A few days ago you didn’t know the definition of xenophobia, but today you’re able to make this assessment based on 5 posts in FYM?

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But he wasn't hired to look into campaign finance violations with porn starts...
It would have to be a different case. Not Mueller. That's my point...Mueller won't be asking that kind of question that doesn't relate to the case at hand like Starr, even though this one is a lot closer to relevance than Starr's question.

Unless the money came from Russian operatives. Then, bingo
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Late to the Roseanne thing, but I have a friend whose daughter is a comedian and made it to the final 4 or 8 (think 4) on Last Comic Standing. Emily is a former History major who went into teaching before going into comedy, and her standups, though veering more political these days, were at that time more regular standup peppered with historical references. Since then, she has been protested by the Catholic League for her stand up on Conan, but she kept it relatively tame on this show.


Roseanne was a judge and gave some compliments for delivery, etc, but criticized her for being "too smart" in her humor.


It seemed to be a perfect Roseanne response...don't be too smart, and for God's sake, don't be a smart woman.
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You are seriously the most ignorant, narrow minded, bigoted person on this forum. You are so knowledgeable about ALL "political conservative evangelicals". Again, replace that with Muslim and see how fast you get banned.
politically active muslim fundamentalists that want to control women's bodies are also amoral hypocrites who should be kept as far away from politics as possible.

okay, now let's see how fast i get banned.
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politically active muslim fundamentalists that want to control women's bodies are also amoral hypocrites who should be kept as far away from politics as possible.



Bigot! Bigot! Call the bigot police!
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politically active muslim fundamentalists that want to control women's bodies are also amoral hypocrites who should be kept as far away from politics as possible.



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politically active jewish fundamentalists that want to control women's bodies are also amoral hypocrites who should be kept as far away from politics as possible.

i've decided to actually go for the perma-ban.
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Absolutely. It’s not a mystery why they support Trump — it’s just unthinkably hypocritical.

Really, political conservative Evangelicals are nothing more than an anti-choice organization. Sure, they’ll take the occasional moment to kick a gay if they can, but it’s really much more about controlling women’s bodies.


I was just going to say, we all know WHY evangelicals voted for him.

I’m personally glad that their craven hypocrisy is out in the open like this. No disinfectant like a little sunshine.
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Well, you can call it hypocrisy. Some would call it strategic thinking. Who were evangelicals going to vote for, HRC, who would be crafting policies and appointing judges that run contrary to what these evangelicals say they believe? Give me a break. They had two choices and they chose the guy who would best push the policies and people they cared for forward.

BTW, I'm not saying you're necessarily wrong. I'm sure that many of them are hypocrites. No doubt about that. Most of us are in one way or the other, especially when it comes to politics where tribalism is at play. And I think many of them are probably hypocrites because they cheat on their spouse, or are closet gay, or for any number of personal "failings" that they condemn publicly.

But I think this is a political choice, and as I've said before, I understand the ones who made the same bargain with Trump that feminists made with Clinton. Who I don't understand are those who really believe he's one of them.
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Well, you can call it hypocrisy. Some would call it strategic thinking. Who were evangelicals going to vote for, HRC, who would be crafting policies and appointing judges that run contrary to what these evangelicals say they believe? Give me a break. They had two choices and they chose the guy who would best push the policies and people they cared for forward.

As I've said before, I understand the ones who made the same bargain with Trump that feminists made with Clinton. Who I don't understand are those who really believe he's one of them.
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Well, you can call it hypocrisy. Some would call it strategic thinking. Who were evangelicals going to vote for, HRC, who would be crafting policies and appointing judges that run contrary to what these evangelicals say they believe? Give me a break. They had two choices and they chose the guy who would best push the policies and people they cared for forward.
I've abstained from voting when the occasion warranted it.

I'll be doing so again in the upcoming provincial election as I cannot in good faith vote for any of the appalling options.
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Can't argue with that!
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I'll be doing so again in the upcoming provincial election as I cannot in good faith vote for any of the appalling options.
i understand this sentiment completely, but please don't do that. that's how we're going to end up with premier doug ford in a majority government. some of us have to live in this province.
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i understand this sentiment completely, but please don't do that. that's how we're going to end up with premier doug ford in a majority government. some of us have to live in this province.
I am in Toronto now so I have to live here too.

Look, I'm typically a Liberal voter but I can't support Kathleen Wynne and her fiscal irresponsibility. Our province is in really dire financial straits.

Needless to say I'm not voting for the buffoon Ford for obvious reasons.
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I saw something today about how Canada has fallen out of love with Trudeau? Only saw the headline, and I admit I haven't followed Canadian politics as closely as I used to, it's hard enough keeping up with what's going on in the US, UK & EU!
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It would have to be a different case. Not Mueller. That's my point...Mueller won't be asking that kind of question that doesn't relate to the case at hand like Starr, even though this one is a lot closer to relevance than Starr's question.

Unless the money came from Russian operatives. Then, bingo
I tend to agree. Let's also remember that Starr was an Independent Counsel, and had more freedom to expand his probe than Mueller (theoretically) does as a Special Counsel. I think to expand his probe in such a different direction Rosenstein would have to approve it.

Though as you said, if there's a Russian connection, all bets are off.
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Well, you can call it hypocrisy. Some would call it strategic thinking. Who were evangelicals going to vote for, HRC, who would be crafting policies and appointing judges that run contrary to what these evangelicals say they believe? Give me a break. They had two choices and they chose the guy who would best push the policies and people they cared for forward.

BTW, I'm not saying you're necessarily wrong. I'm sure that many of them are hypocrites. No doubt about that. Most of us are in one way or the other, especially when it comes to politics where tribalism is at play. And I think many of them are probably hypocrites because they cheat on their spouse, or are closet gay, or for any number of personal "failings" that they condemn publicly.

But I think this is a political choice, and as I've said before, I understand the ones who made the same bargain with Trump that feminists made with Clinton. Who I don't understand are those who really believe he's one of them.
Those same evangelicals came out weak for Romney, a Mormon.

So, yeah...you can say they "learned their lesson" politically. But if you inject religion into your politics for political gain, to the detriment of your belief system, have you really won?

Earthly spoils for damaging the integrity of the evangelical position? When, again, are they going to be able to push the planks of the Republican party? No Republican will fear them if they go all in for any Godless, mass-sinning Republican simply because they aren't Democrat. Without fear of a weak turnout (Romney), what drives the Republican candidate to cater to their specialized needs?

Not only did they damage their own integrity, they damaged their power to dictate general election decision making. They need a "Bernie" or "Nader" moment on their side, related to religion (not business like Perot) to push their party to consider them, to restore the power they ceded in voting heavily for an abomination in their God's eyes like Trump
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I am in Toronto now so I have to live here too.

Look, I'm typically a Liberal voter but I can't support Kathleen Wynne and her fiscal irresponsibility. Our province is in really dire financial straits.

Needless to say I'm not voting for the buffoon Ford for obvious reasons.
i don't want another liberal government like this one either but history shows that a ford with 4 years in power is a fiscal disaster of another kind.

whoever wins, i'm just hoping it's a slim minority that requires cooperation between the parties. wynne will be forced to resign either way if it's a minority and hopefully someone halfway decent comes out of the leadership contest.
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I saw something today about how Canada has fallen out of love with Trudeau? Only saw the headline, and I admit I haven't followed Canadian political as closely as I used to, it's hard enough keeping up with what's going on in the US, UK & EU!
he's been disappointing in terms of keeping his campaign promises and there's a growing feeling that he has been focusing on identity politics and progressivism a bit too much lately at the expense of actually running the country. there's been a few scandals in his cabinet and with some of his own expenses as well. i think people still want him to succeed in general but it seems his focus and judgment have been a bit lacking lately and i can see how it'd be turning some people off who had been supporters.
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