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Old 03-27-2018, 01:26 PM   #741
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Ssssh. We're not supposed to mention her profession. That fact that she's a porn star isn't a relevant fact.
Maybe you could try to stop making snide comments like this, that are simply based on who is posting what. If you think I don't realize that, I do.

I don't think it's relevant that she's a porn star, in the context of what I posted. That's simply my opinion that has zero to do with you Nick. Believe it or not.
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Maybe you could try to stop making snide comments like this, that are simply based on who is posting what. If you think I don't realize that, I do.

I don't think it's relevant that she's a porn star, in the context of what I posted. That's simply my opinion that has zero to do with you Nick. Believe it or not.
He is always snide and super outraged when anybody calls him out.

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She's not a hero or a whistleblower...she's a porn star who had a transactional affair with someone famous and is now wanting to cash in on it.
But yeah, he's only using the descriptor because that's what the media has been doing. It's obviously super relevant here.
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Oh, you're right about the prominent differences between Clinton and Trump, especially in relation to the issues involved. I also agree with Headache about the real concerns worth focusing on in relation to the whole Trump-Stormy business, and the reasons Clinton got in trouble.

For my part, though, I was mainly trying to explain and theorize about the difference in the public's reactions to Stormy and Monica themselves, and why some people were/are more willing to believe one woman, but not the other. I do agree that that's a question and discussion the public needs to have more of as well (and has been trying to have, thanks to the whole MeToo movement and all).
totally, i didn't want that post to come across as accusatory or anything, i just don't want us to fall into the very easy trap of either downplaying what clinton did, or exaggerating what trump (probably) did, which is happening all over the internet right now.

if this story came out even a year ago i probably myself would have been downplaying clinton's affair because until recently i had always sort of considered it a story of "married man cheats with co-worker and lies about it" and never really reflected on the massive power gap in those kinds of situations, and how it's so insanely hard for anyone in the position lewinsky was in to say no without taking enormous risks of all sorts. listening to many of the stories of #metoo has been pretty eye-opening though.
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John Edwards was indicted for the same thing...eventually, he was found not guilty of one count and a mistrial for lack of jury consensus was declared by the judge on 5 counts.

And he was WAY away from election day. There is a significant difference between what he did, and having campaign funds (if so) used to cover up a major issue that could affect the election in the days before the general election for President of the United States.

No...this doesn't compare to Clinton. But only because Mueller isn't a frickin' half-cocked cowboy looking to depose Trump to get him to perjure himself on a question that had nothing to do with the reason the special counsel was appointed. But there is a clear difference...Trump did not lie under oath.

But if he used campaign money to keep a personal secret from revelation in the days before the nation decided on its President, with full knowledge that personal character is an impacting factor?

It's 10X worse, from the point of campaign finance law, than what Edwards did. It is not 10X worse than what Edwards did...he was a scumbag of the highest order, and a fake one at that, while Trump wears his scumbaggery proudly. But from the general spirit of campaign finance laws and elections, Trumps would be pretty awful.
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But only because Mueller isn't...... looking to depose Trump to get him to perjure himself on a question that had nothing to do with the reason the special counsel was appointed. .
I, uh, wouldn't necessarily be so confident in that one
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I think Trump should take Howard Stern's advice and get out of DC.
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Just saw the commercial-Comey's doing an interview with George Stephanopoulos Sunday night April 15th. Nothing's off limits. He has that book coming out.

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The idea of an FBI director doing a "tell all" is almost a contradiction in terms. And shame on ABC if they're suggesting in the promo that "nothing is off limits." There's loads he's legally proscribed from discussing. I suppose by "nothing is off limits", they mean George can ask, but James won't necessarily answer (and they probably won't air those questions).

What a showboat this guy is, starting with going on TV and injecting himself into the 2016 election, an action that arguably helped put us where we are today.
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I, uh, wouldn't necessarily be so confident in that one
I feel like his questions will pertain to actual political crimes. Even Stormy Daniels relates to campaign finance.
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Comey should be a Trumpian Icon...they are just too stupid or deluded to realize Comey handed them their hero in the White House.
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I feel like his questions will pertain to actual political crimes. Even Stormy Daniels relates to campaign finance.
But he wasn't hired to look into campaign finance violations with porn starts...
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slam dunk.

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WASHINGTON — A lawyer for President Trump broached the idea of Mr. Trump pardoning two of his former top advisers, Michael T. Flynn and Paul Manafort, with their lawyers last year, according to three people with knowledge of the discussions.

The discussions came as the special counsel was building cases against both men, and they raise questions about whether the lawyer, John Dowd, who resigned last week, was offering pardons to influence their decisions about whether to plead guilty and cooperate in the investigation.

The talks suggest that Mr. Trump’s lawyers were concerned about what Mr. Flynn and Mr. Manafort might reveal were they to cut a deal with the special counsel, Robert S. Mueller III, in exchange for leniency. Mr. Mueller’s team could investigate the prospect that Mr. Dowd made pardon offers to thwart the inquiry, although legal experts are divided about whether such offers might constitute obstruction of justice.

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It is unclear whether Mr. Dowd discussed the pardons with Mr. Trump
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Slam. Dunk.
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Well, I'm not sure an article based on anonymous sources, that everyone involved with denies (which, granted, you'd expect them to), and that legal experts are divided on whether is a crime at all, is necessarily a "slam dunk". What, exactly, makes it a "slam dunk"? It's slam dunk what?

But OK. The newest slam dunk, since the "Trump shouting that someone should fire Mueller is slam dunk obstruction" slam dunk. This case has had more supposed "slam dunks" than a Harlem Globetrotters game, and has uncovered more smoking guns than Miss Marple.

It's an important development, but hardly a "slam dunk." More like another brick in the wall.
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Rabble rabble rabble
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Well, I'm not sure an article based on anonymous sources, that everyone involved with denies (which, granted, you'd expect them to), and that legal experts are divided on whether is a crime at all, is necessarily a "slam dunk". What, exactly, makes it a "slam dunk"? It's slam dunk what?

But OK. The newest slam dunk, since the "Trump shouting that someone should fire Mueller is slam dunk obstruction" slam dunk. This case has had more supposed "slam dunks" than a Harlem Globetrotters game, and has uncovered more smoking guns than Miss Marple.

It's an important development, but hardly a "slam dunk." More like another brick in the wall.



All I’ve said is obstruction. That’s a slam dunk.

You must be confusing me with all your Resistance friends.
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All I’ve said is obstruction. That’s a slam dunk.

You must be confusing me with all your Resistance friends.
But it's not a slam dunk. How can it be a slam dunk when legal experts are divided on whether the President can even be charged with obstruction under these facts (and actually most think he can't), and it's not even been proven this occurred in the first place?

And goodness gracious. While I have many friends who, like me, don't support Trump and want to see him out of office, I don't think any of them are members of the "Resistance". They're all sensible.
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Yeah, I'm sure no one in "the resistance" has a job.
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