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Old 03-23-2018, 04:37 PM   #661
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Old 03-23-2018, 04:42 PM   #662
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Along with “infidelity and sex with porn stars and sexual assault are all a-ok when they are in the past because Supreme Court”.

Speaking of which did Trump even bother claiming that he was born again or some such? I mean their entire argument is based on the idea that past acts don’t matter if you repent and come to Jesus but I don’t even think he meets that most basic of requirements. Not even on a pretend basis, like he doesn’t even bother to lie about it and it’s just fine.

American Evangelicals are completely amoral and the one positive of the Trump presidency is that they have been completely exposed as total frauds. Many of us knew this for decades but I feel like they were still given some leeway and deference by the mainstream and the media. Remember when we all had to listen to years of droning about how they hate the sin but not the (gay) sinner though all their political activism showed otherwise. They’ve been thoroughly discredited as a “moral” majority.
Wow, so as an American and an Evangelical Christian, I am by your definition "amoral.", oh i mean "completely amoral".Wow, and we've never even met.

What do you think of Middle Eastern Muslims? Or European Athiests?

It's shocking to me that so many here on this forum who claim to be "open minded", or "progressive", or "tolerant" are actually some of the more intolerant, bigoted people I have ever encountered on the internet. And it's all directed towards Christians. And apparently it's all "ok."

Wow.
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Wow, so as an American and an Evangelical Christian, I am by your definition "amoral.", oh i mean "completely amoral".Wow, and we've never even met.



What do you think of Middle Eastern Muslims? Or European Athiests?



It's shocking to me that so many here on this forum who claim to be "open minded", or "progressive", or "tolerant" are actually some of the more intolerant, bigoted people I have ever encountered on the internet. And it's all directed towards Christians. And apparently it's all "ok."



Wow.


Are you an American evangelical defending Trump?

Context matters.
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Wow, so as an American and an Evangelical Christian, I am by your definition "amoral.", oh i mean "completely amoral".Wow, and we've never even met.



What do you think of Middle Eastern Muslims? Or European Athiests?



It's shocking to me that so many here on this forum who claim to be "open minded", or "progressive", or "tolerant" are actually some of the more intolerant, bigoted people I have ever encountered on the internet. And it's all directed towards Christians. And apparently it's all "ok."



Wow.



Did you vote for Trump?
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I think the people who feel like Hillary gets attacked too often sometimes forget that the reason she is still cited is because many of us want the Democratic Party to learn from the mistakes that she represented. It's as much about Obama, Bill Clinton, Nancy Pelosi, Chuck Schumer, and the rest as it is about her, she's just the latest and most prominent example.

I will say it is nice to see someone primarying the awful Andrew Cuomo who actually has a vision. I know very little about Nixon but her early messaging is strong.
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Message or no message, I'm ready to take a pass on celebrity candidates with minimal experience for a while.
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Message or no message, I'm ready to take a pass on celebrity candidates with minimal experience for a while.


But that was a really good commercial.

Progressive legislation passes itself!
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Well HRC deserves 100% of the blame for things that happened in her campaign, including how her social media opp was run and her swing state strategy. She obviously doesn't deserve blame for things like Comey inappropriately injecting himself into the election or things outside of her campaign that she had no control over.

I thought she ran a pretty good campaign, especially given her weaknesses as a candidate. She should have won, but she didn't. They made some mistakes. Yes, she got 3,000,000 more votes than Trump in states that were hers no matter what. But in the places she needed to win, she actually ran less issue oriented ads than Trump did, and spent a lot of her money on telling people why Trump was bad and not what she was going to do to help them. I personally think this cost her a lot of Obama voters. She was incredibly well qualified (I wanted her over Obama in 2008 for that reason), but she didn't really explain how all that experience was going to make people's lives better. Or at least, she didn't go a good enough job of that...not like Bernie and Trump did (even if they were selling snake oil).

I read her book, and frankly, while she does at the beginning in a generic way take responsibility for her campaign, she goes on to spend a good deal of the book blaming everyone else for her loss...including Comey, Putin (and the Russians), Obama, Bernie Sanders (and his supporters), Jill Stein, the media, sexism, racism, white resentment, xenophobia (i.e. fear and hatred of strangers or foreigners or of anything that is strange or foreign), "self-hating" women, the DNC, Wikileaks, Anthony Weiner, the "godforsaken" electoral college, her campaign staff, campaign finance laws, the questions she was asked at the debates, and most of all...the stupid voters.

The calls for her to shut and go away are inappropriate, she has a right to speak, but this isn't a good look. Nor, of course, is Donald Trump continuing to invoke her name and his best ever campaign. There are lots of reasons people win, and lose, campaigns, but mostly it comes down to the candidate.

As it is, sadly the only time what she says makes news is when she's insulting voters or talking about the Russians, and mostly it's only news because the right wing goes crazy about it.
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Message or no message, I'm ready to take a pass on celebrity candidates with minimal experience for a while.
this. it unnerves me a bit how fast and hard the left latched on to "oprah 2020" based on one inspiring speech.
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I agree, it isn’t a good look.

But as with so many things, she isn’t wrong.
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But that was a really good commercial.

Progressive legislation passes itself!
Unfortunately this seems to be the mentality of the far left, and I just don’t get it.

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I agree, it isn’t a good look.

But as with so many things, she isn’t wrong.


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I can't wait to see that. I watched the Anderson interview last night with Karen McDougal. Didn't get the point of it all, but wow is she beautiful. I think she's still in love with Trump, which boggles the mind.

She said he was always so kind and sweet to her. Weirdest thing that she found attractive about him was his posture. Can't say that's ever been a thing for me (other than hunched over being generally unattractive). To each her own. She thinks he's good looking too. Subjective.

After the first time they had sex he offered her money. He seems to do that with every woman, he must think anyone he has sex with other than his wife is a prostitute.
All this Stormy Daniels talk is just another on the long list of reasons why I hate that Trump is president. At least when he was a reality show host, I could ignore whatever tabloid-y scandals came out about his personal life.

But now that he's president it's all part of the national discussion and no matter how much I try and avoid it, the news still seeps through anyway. And I'm learning so much about his sex life I happily could've gone my whole life without ever knowing, and getting really creepy images in my head that I'd need so much brain bleach to scrub out.

Thanks, Trump supporters .

Also, all this war talk is scaring me more and more. Please let something happen to keep Bolton from taking over as NSA. Please. Other people have come and gone from this administration in the blink of an eye, let him be among them, too.
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the kuuush failed to disclose a measly billion dollars of debt on his security clearance.

to be fair, we all fib a little about our finances during job interviews.
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Wow, so as an American and an Evangelical Christian, I am by your definition "amoral.", oh i mean "completely amoral".Wow, and we've never even met.



What do you think of Middle Eastern Muslims? Or European Athiests?



It's shocking to me that so many here on this forum who claim to be "open minded", or "progressive", or "tolerant" are actually some of the more intolerant, bigoted people I have ever encountered on the internet. And it's all directed towards Christians. And apparently it's all "ok."



Wow.


1. Are you an American Evangelical?
2. Did you vote for Trump?
3. Do you continue to twist yourself into a moral pretzel to support him?

Additionally if you use moral issues as a voting basis then all the more hypocritical.
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But as with so many things, she isn’t wrong.
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Well one good thing to come from this week, we’ve seen to find a small chink in Trump’s armor. A few are turning.
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i have an ominous feeling that something really major is coming down this afternoon. no idea what it is but i just have a sense of foreboding that we're getting a big friday surprise this week.
i'm glad i was wrong about this.
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this happened a bit earlier, but picking John Bolton as NSA head is rather ominous
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