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Wow, so as an American and an Evangelical Christian, I am by your definition "amoral.", oh i mean "completely amoral".Wow, and we've never even met.
What do you think of Middle Eastern Muslims? Or European Athiests?
It's shocking to me that so many here on this forum who claim to be "open minded", or "progressive", or "tolerant" are actually some of the more intolerant, bigoted people I have ever encountered on the internet. And it's all directed towards Christians. And apparently it's all "ok."
Wow.
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Irvine511
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PhilsFan
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I think the people who feel like Hillary gets attacked too often sometimes forget that the reason she is still cited is because many of us want the Democratic Party to learn from the mistakes that she represented. It's as much about Obama, Bill Clinton, Nancy Pelosi, Chuck Schumer, and the rest as it is about her, she's just the latest and most prominent example.
I will say it is nice to see someone primarying the awful Andrew Cuomo who actually has a vision. I know very little about Nixon but her early messaging is strong.
I will say it is nice to see someone primarying the awful Andrew Cuomo who actually has a vision. I know very little about Nixon but her early messaging is strong.
Message or no message, I'm ready to take a pass on celebrity candidates with minimal experience for a while.
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But that was a really good commercial.
Progressive legislation passes itself!
Nick66
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Well HRC deserves 100% of the blame for things that happened in her campaign, including how her social media opp was run and her swing state strategy. She obviously doesn't deserve blame for things like Comey inappropriately injecting himself into the election or things outside of her campaign that she had no control over.
I thought she ran a pretty good campaign, especially given her weaknesses as a candidate. She should have won, but she didn't. They made some mistakes. Yes, she got 3,000,000 more votes than Trump in states that were hers no matter what. But in the places she needed to win, she actually ran less issue oriented ads than Trump did, and spent a lot of her money on telling people why Trump was bad and not what she was going to do to help them. I personally think this cost her a lot of Obama voters. She was incredibly well qualified (I wanted her over Obama in 2008 for that reason), but she didn't really explain how all that experience was going to make people's lives better. Or at least, she didn't go a good enough job of that...not like Bernie and Trump did (even if they were selling snake oil).
I read her book, and frankly, while she does at the beginning in a generic way take responsibility for her campaign, she goes on to spend a good deal of the book blaming everyone else for her loss...including Comey, Putin (and the Russians), Obama, Bernie Sanders (and his supporters), Jill Stein, the media, sexism, racism, white resentment, xenophobia (i.e. fear and hatred of strangers or foreigners or of anything that is strange or foreign), "self-hating" women, the DNC, Wikileaks, Anthony Weiner, the "godforsaken" electoral college, her campaign staff, campaign finance laws, the questions she was asked at the debates, and most of all...the stupid voters.
The calls for her to shut and go away are inappropriate, she has a right to speak, but this isn't a good look. Nor, of course, is Donald Trump continuing to invoke her name and his best ever campaign. There are lots of reasons people win, and lose, campaigns, but mostly it comes down to the candidate.
As it is, sadly the only time what she says makes news is when she's insulting voters or talking about the Russians, and mostly it's only news because the right wing goes crazy about it.
I thought she ran a pretty good campaign, especially given her weaknesses as a candidate. She should have won, but she didn't. They made some mistakes. Yes, she got 3,000,000 more votes than Trump in states that were hers no matter what. But in the places she needed to win, she actually ran less issue oriented ads than Trump did, and spent a lot of her money on telling people why Trump was bad and not what she was going to do to help them. I personally think this cost her a lot of Obama voters. She was incredibly well qualified (I wanted her over Obama in 2008 for that reason), but she didn't really explain how all that experience was going to make people's lives better. Or at least, she didn't go a good enough job of that...not like Bernie and Trump did (even if they were selling snake oil).
I read her book, and frankly, while she does at the beginning in a generic way take responsibility for her campaign, she goes on to spend a good deal of the book blaming everyone else for her loss...including Comey, Putin (and the Russians), Obama, Bernie Sanders (and his supporters), Jill Stein, the media, sexism, racism, white resentment, xenophobia (i.e. fear and hatred of strangers or foreigners or of anything that is strange or foreign), "self-hating" women, the DNC, Wikileaks, Anthony Weiner, the "godforsaken" electoral college, her campaign staff, campaign finance laws, the questions she was asked at the debates, and most of all...the stupid voters.
The calls for her to shut and go away are inappropriate, she has a right to speak, but this isn't a good look. Nor, of course, is Donald Trump continuing to invoke her name and his best ever campaign. There are lots of reasons people win, and lose, campaigns, but mostly it comes down to the candidate.
As it is, sadly the only time what she says makes news is when she's insulting voters or talking about the Russians, and mostly it's only news because the right wing goes crazy about it.
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DaveC
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this. it unnerves me a bit how fast and hard the left latched on to "oprah 2020" based on one inspiring speech.
Irvine511
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I agree, it isn’t a good look.
But as with so many things, she isn’t wrong.
But as with so many things, she isn’t wrong.
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Unfortunately this seems to be the mentality of the far left, and I just don’t get it.
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Moonlit_Angel
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All this Stormy Daniels talk is just another on the long list of reasons why I hate that Trump is president. At least when he was a reality show host, I could ignore whatever tabloid-y scandals came out about his personal life.
But now that he's president it's all part of the national discussion and no matter how much I try and avoid it, the news still seeps through anyway. And I'm learning so much about his sex life I happily could've gone my whole life without ever knowing, and getting really creepy images in my head that I'd need so much brain bleach to scrub out.
Thanks, Trump supporters
. Also, all this war talk is scaring me more and more. Please let something happen to keep Bolton from taking over as NSA. Please. Other people have come and gone from this administration in the blink of an eye, let him be among them, too.
the kuuush failed to disclose a measly billion dollars of debt on his security clearance.
to be fair, we all fib a little about our finances during job interviews.
to be fair, we all fib a little about our finances during job interviews.
1. Are you an American Evangelical?
2. Did you vote for Trump?
3. Do you continue to twist yourself into a moral pretzel to support him?
Additionally if you use moral issues as a voting basis then all the more hypocritical.
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Well one good thing to come from this week, we’ve seen to find a small chink in Trump’s armor. A few are turning.
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DaveC
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i'm glad i was wrong about this.
dazzledbylight
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this happened a bit earlier, but picking John Bolton as NSA head is rather ominous 
kiwilad
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But the fact it was a legitimate fear is just wonderful isn't it? Amazing what 70000 votes can do to the world...
ImOuttaControl
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But is a "gut feeling" based on nothing but a "sense of foreboding" a legitimate fear? I would say no.
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DaveC
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i don't know where the notion came from that i was actually fearful. all i said was that i had the feeling something major was going to happen with the administration, like someone getting fired or news from mueller or something, not that i was actually scared of anything really bad happening.
Danny Boy
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Putin seems pretty pissed about his diplomats being expelled. Do we get to see the piss tape now?
Moonlit_Angel
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Regarding all the talk about that infamous "pee pee tape" that's been going around for months now, I can safely say that I would be totally fine with never having to see or hear about anything related to it. Thanks to all the news coverage and discussion of his affairs and such, I've already got enough creepy images related to Trump's sex life that I've been trying to clear out of my mind. I really don't need any more images of that sort added in there.
If the news wants to share anything about whatever financial/political dirt Putin may have on Trump, however, that I will be interested in hearing.
If the news wants to share anything about whatever financial/political dirt Putin may have on Trump, however, that I will be interested in hearing.
PhilsFan
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I certainly don't think the lesson with Trump has to do with his lack of experience.
Progressive legislation requires the votes, and getting the votes requires running candidates with real vision. Are you going to defend Andrew Cuomo because of some vague notion of pragmatism?
The difference between Oprah Winfrey as a candidate and Cynthia Nixon as a candidate is very simple: one has laid out a platform of things they stand for, and one has not.
I also think the fact that the moderate wing of the party jumped onboard with Winfrey and has been tsk-tsking Nixon speaks volumes.
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Also, remember that the pee tape is supposed to be Trump watching a couple of prostitutes pee on an empty bed as some sort of protest against Obama (because Obama had slept there once or something), it's not supposed to be him getting peed on.
If there's going to be any unnerving footage of Trump, it's probably going to come from Stormy Daniels.
If there's going to be any unnerving footage of Trump, it's probably going to come from Stormy Daniels.
Moonlit_Angel
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Oh, yeah, I totally understand the significance of the tape itself and its meaning, and what was rumored to happen in it.
Just that unfortunately, since Trump supporters clearly didn't give a shit about the fact that Trump disrespected Obama by harassing him about his birth certificate and claiming for so many years that he wasn't born here, I don't think the pee tape is going to matter to them, either. They'll either laugh it off or find a way to claim it was doctored, even if they have the evidence right before their very eyes.
And even if there was a chance seeing that tape could change people's minds in regards to just how far his disrespect for Obama really went, and how pathetic it makes Trump look, sadly, I think the salacious nature of the tape and the jokes one could spin from it would be the bigger story at the end of the day, and not the serious, disturbing nature of the message Trump is sending with the women peeing on the bed.
If that tape is released and other people want to see it, that's their choice. But I will pass. I don't need to be convinced of Trump's assholish behavior, obviously, and I don't need to see him with prostitutes, even if all he's doing is just sitting there watching them as they do whatever.
Just that unfortunately, since Trump supporters clearly didn't give a shit about the fact that Trump disrespected Obama by harassing him about his birth certificate and claiming for so many years that he wasn't born here, I don't think the pee tape is going to matter to them, either. They'll either laugh it off or find a way to claim it was doctored, even if they have the evidence right before their very eyes.
And even if there was a chance seeing that tape could change people's minds in regards to just how far his disrespect for Obama really went, and how pathetic it makes Trump look, sadly, I think the salacious nature of the tape and the jokes one could spin from it would be the bigger story at the end of the day, and not the serious, disturbing nature of the message Trump is sending with the women peeing on the bed.
If that tape is released and other people want to see it, that's their choice. But I will pass. I don't need to be convinced of Trump's assholish behavior, obviously, and I don't need to see him with prostitutes, even if all he's doing is just sitting there watching them as they do whatever.
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It goes back to a point I have made about how the Democrats are always so worried about what the right will say about them despite the fact that nothing they do will ever please them. They move farther and farther right with each passing year in an attempt to get out ahead of criticism ... and then get called treasonous socialists anyway.
Pointing out hypocrisy doesn't work. It may have worked once, but it doesn't anymore. You can't message or govern based on trying to catch them being hypocritical.
Pointing out hypocrisy doesn't work. It may have worked once, but it doesn't anymore. You can't message or govern based on trying to catch them being hypocritical.
Moonlit_Angel
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I'll agree on that, definitely. I will always support compromise if and where possible, but yeah, if the Democrats feel strongly enough about an issue, own it and fight for it. Don't cower in the face of whatever BS spin the right tries to put on their stances and beliefs. Whether or not their doing that helps them in terms of winning elections, it can be hard to say, depending on the situation and whatnot (I think it wouldn't hurt, but I can also see where there's areas where they might still have an uphill battle of sorts), but at least their stance is clear as day.
It also helps make it much easier to disprove the "both sides are bad" comments people like to throw around. Just one look at the Democratic platform as a whole in comparison to the Republican one should be enough to prove that's not true, but people still believe otherwise anyway, so seeing the contrast made more sharply might help dispel that belief a little more.
It also helps make it much easier to disprove the "both sides are bad" comments people like to throw around. Just one look at the Democratic platform as a whole in comparison to the Republican one should be enough to prove that's not true, but people still believe otherwise anyway, so seeing the contrast made more sharply might help dispel that belief a little more.
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