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Old 12-12-2017, 09:22 AM   #101
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Did The Con just try to imply that a senator offered sexual favors for campaign contributions on Twitter?
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Old 12-12-2017, 09:45 AM   #102
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Did The Con just try to imply that a senator offered sexual favors for campaign contributions on Twitter?
I believe he did... The juxtaposition of that tweet with the one he sent prior is just too perfect.
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Really would feel more confident in Doug Jones' chances if he had run with some substance and not as "I'm not him!" Still, today's going to get super weird no matter what.
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If Jones had run on substance, he'd get clobbered. The reality is that on "substance", he's way, way out of step with most voters in that state (the majority of who support Trumps "agenda"). Hence making it a character referendum on Moore.
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Not too optimistic about the outcome in AL today. And exit polls are going to be next to useless as many will vote for Moore but not admit to it.
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This is what it's come to, in 2017, where an alleged child molester who believes we we're best off when there were just 10 amendments has at worst a 50/50 shot at becoming a senator.
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If Jones had run on substance, he'd get clobbered. The reality is that on "substance", he's way, way out of step with most voters in that state (the majority of who support Trumps "agenda"). Hence making it a character referendum on Moore.
Leftist economic policies (support for single payer, minimum wage increases, etc.) have support across the country. It's too bad that Jones is not a supporter of those popular things and didn't offer many voters something like that which could inspire them to go to the polls.
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Leftist economic policies (support for single payer, minimum wage increases, etc.) have support across the country. It's too bad that Jones is not a supporter of those popular things and didn't offer many voters something like that which could inspire them to go to the polls.
Maybe, or maybe not.

Bernie didn't do so well in the South against Clinton. So not sure Jones adopting a left/progressive platform would have done much.

Alabama would rather have a child molester than a progressive.
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Bernie didn't do so well in the South against Clinton. So not sure Jones adopting a left/progressive platform would have done much.
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The main contributor of his underperformance in the south was that he was unpopular with African Americans, who comprise very significant parts of the population in southern states and an even larger % of the Democratic base that actually turns out to vote.
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Maybe, or maybe not.

Bernie didn't do so well in the South against Clinton. So not sure Jones adopting a left/progressive platform would have done much.

Alabama would rather have a child molester than a progressive.
I think it's clear that Sanders and his campaign did not know how to campaign outside of the types of states they were used to. They struggled with outreach to minorities, they failed to deliver the message the way they wanted to in many states. Those things were the main contributors to his failure in the Democratic primary.

It would be great to have a DNC that would help candidates like Sanders who hold policy positions that help many people AND appeal to many people. I think the Democrats could learn a thing or two from the tactics of Jeremy Corbyn since the election in the UK.

I'm flabbergasted that the Democrats' choices on the whole are to shame voters and insist they did nothing wrong. They continue to lose and cannot understand why, and it's maddening. They think moving to the center is the right way, and they continue to lose.

Anyway, enough about this, I'm sure everyone thinks I'm BigMacPhisto now for bring this up. Trump's comments about Gillibrand this morning, while par for the course, were particularly unique in their explicit nature, were they not?
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The Left is going to lose no matter what. The two sides aren't even playing the same game anymore. It's obvious the GOP will do whatever it takes to claim, and hold on to power.

Is it even feasible to believe that the Democrats would stand by their own Roy Moore? Please do not say Bill Clinton. He didn't molest little girls. He was just a perv (and you could make the point that Bill probably wouldn't have survived in today's climate with the #MeToo ).

We are seeing the Dems purge out their own creeps, and on the other side? Aside from one or two senators (who are quitting), there's been silence. And silence equals acceptance.

If Bernie is still alive and kicking in 2020, throw him out there. Warren too. The Dems will still fight though, and it'll give the GOP the WH again because they fall in line.

What's amazing with all these accusations, stories, issues coming up.....Obama hasn't had one single stain on him. While he may not have been everything the Left wanted, he was by far and away the most professional, and presidential of any politician of my lifetime. Dude had integrity.
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Bernie Sanders, Hillary Clinton, Joe Biden and Elizabeth Warren should be nowhere near the Democratic nomination for president in 2020.

Get someone young and inspiring.

But I do have to agree that the Republicans, as chaotic as they seem to be, do the politics significantly better than the Democrats.

They have the same amount of infighting, but when it's time for vote, they vote for the guy with the R no matter what.

They're also shedding young members a faster than they can create new ones, but on the short term it's working for them, and they have the ability to create enough long term pain right now to make it last a generation.
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Who in the D party can rise up? Thoughts were Booker, and the two brothers from TX....but they've already been called ESTABLISHMENT!!! by the progressive side.

Keith Ellision maybe?

The real scary part of all of this is that Trump is filling our courts with Alt Right and Extremists. Judges who aren't even remotely qualified to hold these positions, and they'll be in there for life.

We are going to feel the pain for a long time, and I'm afraid no young whippersnapper from the Left can fix it.

I think Biden would be great, if his age wouldn't be such a problem. He's a straight shooter without being a complete moron. I think Joe would continue Obama's progress
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Who in the D party can rise up? Thoughts were Booker, and the two brothers from TX....but they've already been called ESTABLISHMENT!!! by the progressive side.

Keith Ellision maybe?

The real scary part of all of this is that Trump is filling our courts with Alt Right and Extremists. Judges who aren't even remotely qualified to hold these positions, and they'll be in there for life.

We are going to feel the pain for a long time, and I'm afraid no young whippersnapper from the Left can fix it.

I think Biden would be great, if his age wouldn't be such a problem. He's a straight shooter without being a complete moron. I think Joe would continue Obama's progress
Preferably someone we aren't thinking of yet.
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Two Democrats give up their Congressional seats in order to advance the awareness and cause for gender equality.

Meanwhile the Republican Party prepares to elect a pedophile to the US Senate - with the full backing of the Republican Party.

Now back to our regularly scheduled programming . . . .
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https://mobile.twitter.com/Greg_Pala...37973983744002

Something shady is going down in Alabama...
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Bernie Sanders, Hillary Clinton, Joe Biden and Elizabeth Warren should be nowhere near the Democratic nomination for president in 2020.

Get someone young and inspiring.

But I do have to agree that the Republicans, as chaotic as they seem to be, do the politics significantly better than the Democrats.

They have the same amount of infighting, but when it's time for vote, they vote for the guy with the R no matter what.

They're also shedding young members a faster than they can create new ones, but on the short term it's working for them, and they have the ability to create enough long term pain right now to make it last a generation.



I think that tweet today just got Gillibrand into the 2020 race.
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Anyway, enough about this, I'm sure everyone thinks I'm BigMacPhisto now for bring this up.
I don't think you're BMP, but I think your assessment that there's overwhelming support for leftist economic policy is a bit out of touch.

There are many that will support concepts of single payer, but once you label it single payer or "leftist economics" they'll run. This is why the Democratic party won't embrace it full on. They have an uphill battle on their hands as to how to communicate these policies. So far the progressive side doesn't really have anyone that can, how do you expect the Democratic party to do so?
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Is it even feasible to believe that the Democrats would stand by their own Roy Moore? Please do not say Bill Clinton. He didn't molest little girls. He was just a perv (and you could make the point that Bill probably wouldn't have survived in today's climate with the #MeToo ).

We are seeing the Dems purge out their own creeps, and on the other side? Aside from one or two senators (who are quitting), there's been silence. And silence equals acceptance.
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Keith Ellision maybe?
Keith Ellison? Really? You think he's the answer?

You're talking about giving the Democratic party credit for "purging" their bad apples, when Keith Ellison, DNC vice chair, was among the Democrats who endorsed Anthony Weiner for NY mayor after Weiner was forced to resign from the House in disgrace.

And I'll give Dems credit for "purging" their bad apples when they give a Senator from a state with a GOP Governor the boot. In the meantime, while he's nowhere near as bad as Moore, Clinton is a test the Dems back then failed.
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The Left is going to lose no matter what. The two sides aren't even playing the same game anymore. It's obvious the GOP will do whatever it takes to claim, and hold on to power.
Exactly. The Democrats could run the best candidate imaginable, but so long as there's a part of the country that refuses to accept basic facts as true, and so long as the GOP continues to do whatever they can to manipulate the system for their own gain, the left is going to be fighting an uphill battle. Not to say they shouldn't try, of course, or that the odds of them winning are impossible, but it is going to be harder.

I fully agree, though, that a younger candidate would be very beneficial, and getting young people out in droves to vote again, and in EVERY election at that, would certainly do wonders to at least try and put a dent in things.

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What's amazing with all these accusations, stories, issues coming up.....Obama hasn't had one single stain on him. While he may not have been everything the Left wanted, he was by far and away the most professional, and presidential of any politician of my lifetime. Dude had integrity.
Precisely.

I do believe, though, that that fact certainly explains some of the batshit crazy crap people on the right tried to pin on him. I truly think there were some people who were eager to get some kind of personal dirt on him and use that to take him down. And when that didn't happen-when he wasn't going out and having affairs, or his children weren't acting wild in the White House, or other scandalous things of that sort...or, to be more frank, when he and his family didn't wind up fitting whatever stereotypes they had about black people-it drove them nuts, and they had to resort to making shit up. Hence the birther crap and other similar stupidity.

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Something shady is going down in Alabama...
Of course it is .

Like the others have said, this is the kind of shit the GOP is clearly not afraid to pull to get their way. This is what we on the left are up against. We need to figure out how to combat that.
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