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Old 01-08-2018, 01:59 PM   #601
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Apparently all that is required to be POTUS is to give a speech.

No background in law
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While I think Oprah would be a better President than Trump, it would still be a disaster and a joke.

Let's not forget about the Rock. He could get the youth vote!
Pretty much sums up my thoughts on the matter.

I will say, though, that if Oprah honest to God did decide to run for president, and Trump didn't take that as an opportunity to just pack it in right then and there, that would be proof of just how big an idiot he really is.
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Special counsel Robert S. Mueller III has raised the likelihood with President Trump’s legal team that his office will seek an interview with the president, triggering a discussion among his attorneys about how to avoid a sit-down encounter or set limits on such a session, according to two people familiar with the talks.

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Pretty much sums up my thoughts on the matter.

I will say, though, that if Oprah honest to God did decide to run for president, and Trump didn't take that as an opportunity to just pack it in right then and there, that would be proof of just how big an idiot he really is.
I actually think Trump would beat Oprah pretty handily.
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I actually think Trump would beat Oprah pretty handily.


I think anyone, save carefully groomed characterless democrat politicians like Tim Kaine/Cory Booker or any "safe bets," can defeat Donald Trump with relative ease.

So sad to say, Oprah would probably have it a lot easier than any politician in today's day and age.
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I think anyone, save carefully groomed characterless democrat politicians like Tim Kaine/Cory Booker or any "safe bets," can defeat Donald Trump with relative ease.

So sad to say, Oprah would probably have it a lot easier than any politician in today's day and age.
No to all of the above.

Assuming he's not indicted, I think Trump has a decent chance of winning in 2020, and I certainly think he'd beat Oprah Winfrey.

The conventional wisdom you've expressed here is frankly the same conventional wisdom that said he didn't stand a chance against "the most qualified candidate in history". That's not a criticism...I'm no exception, I certainly didn't give Trump any real chance of winning (though I did predict he'd get the GOP nomination).
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I feel like I'm taking crazy pills with so many people seriously thinking she should run.
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Julian Assange doesn't need money... dude's probably rolling in bitcoin dough
lol I read that as "bitchin' dough." that works, too.
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I think social media has made politicians into celebrities, and the lines have been blurred to the average, low-info voter. So why not Oprah?

No matter that we know very little about her political views or whether her personal life could withstand scrutiny. Or that she's as utterly unqualified to sit in that office as the buffoon who currently occupies it (even if she is a decent person and he is not). She made a good speech at the Golden Globes, so of course she should be President.
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No to all of the above.

Assuming he's not indicted, I think Trump has a decent chance of winning in 2020, and I certainly think he'd beat Oprah Winfrey.

The conventional wisdom you've expressed here is frankly the same conventional wisdom that said he didn't stand a chance against "the most qualified candidate in history". That's not a criticism...I'm no exception, I certainly didn't give Trump any real chance of winning (though I did predict he'd get the GOP nomination).
You're failing to account for turnout.

Many Obama voters stayed home in 2016. You're crazy if they think they will again, and the number of votes he won by in Pennsylvania, Michigan and Wisconsin wouldn't fill a college football stadium.

And he's less popular now than he was in 2016.

The Dems should fold if they fail in 2018 and 2020.
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I think anyone, save carefully groomed characterless democrat politicians like Tim Kaine/Cory Booker or any "safe bets," can defeat Donald Trump with relative ease.

So sad to say, Oprah would probably have it a lot easier than any politician in today's day and age.


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No to all of the above.
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Assuming he's not indicted, I think Trump has a decent chance of winning in 2020, and I certainly think he'd beat Oprah Winfrey.

The conventional wisdom you've expressed here is frankly the same conventional wisdom that said he didn't stand a chance against "the most qualified candidate in history". That's not a criticism...I'm no exception, I certainly didn't give Trump any real chance of winning (though I did predict he'd get the GOP nomination).

But that's not what I'm doing. My "conventional wisdom" wasn't that he had no chance. It's that Clinton and Trump were two of the most hated candidates we've ever seen. In a battle of who was hated more, Trump arguably won, but Clinton coming in a close second was ultimately her demise.

Trump would still be hated. Probably more so than before. Bannonism has been muddled up. Trump has been painted in all the scandal - like it or not - that Clinton has been. Regardless of what you believe and what you don't, that's what he's becoming.

Trump only stands a chance in a negative world. His best move was always to deny and deflect. With outsiders, he has absolutely no chance. With insiders, he can still win.
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No to all of the above.

Assuming he's not indicted, I think Trump has a decent chance of winning in 2020, and I certainly think he'd beat Oprah Winfrey.

The conventional wisdom you've expressed here is frankly the same conventional wisdom that said he didn't stand a chance against "the most qualified candidate in history". That's not a criticism...I'm no exception, I certainly didn't give Trump any real chance of winning (though I did predict he'd get the GOP nomination).


The crazy pills are being passed around I see.

A woman who is hated, still won the pop vote by how much?
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Yeah, that's it. I'm crazy. But I'm a stable crazy.

I doubt Oprah could even get the Democratic nomination.
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I can't imagine Oprah running. I feel like she's just a good sarcastic name to throw in to mock Trump.

But in hypotheticals, I imagine she would be very hard to touch. She would get the Sanders benefit. Hard to hate, even if not hard to dislike.
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She inflicted Dr Oz/Dr Phil quackery and Jenny McCarthy's shitty opinions on us, which is a strike against her.

I have huge respect and admiration for Oprah (Oz/Phil bullshit aside), but have spent the bulk of my day arguing with people on Facebook about why I think it's a terrible idea that she run. I am frankly surprised how many of my FB friends were arguing for her running. (Not, like, a ton of friends, but more than one, which is still more than I expected.)
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The issue in 2016 was not that the Democrats failed to run a celebrity.
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Well, most people just regurgitate what they hear. She's trending right now. How many people have actually put thought into her being president? To be honest, the very thought is celebrity + woman + black + liberal. Perfect modern day democratic candidate.

Sometimes, well, all the time, I fear we focus too much on superficial things. It's okay to elect an old white man if he supports the right values and has the right experience. Barack Obama was the first black president, and though a dark horse candidate, was qualified and represented the right values. Hillary Clinton was a qualified candidate.

They were chosen based upon merit. Not some cute accessory about their skin color or gender. That's not an insult to Oprah's intellect or even ability to lead. She's just lacks the experience to be president. Shockingly, probably even more so than Donald Trump. Though, in her case, I think her inexperience versus his probably means fuck all, considering she has responsibility and ethics and he's just a fuckwad.
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I think that Nick doesn’t quite understand Oprah as somebody who lives on Europe. The woman’s following and deep devotion among suburban women is a tale of legend.

I think that she would absolutely crush him.

Which is in no way an endorsement of her, but if we are in the era of celebrity I truthfully can’t think of a single one better suited to run for President and win than her.
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I think that Nick doesn’t quite understand Oprah as somebody who lives on Europe. The woman’s following and deep devotion among suburban women is a tale of legend.

I think that she would absolutely crush him.

Which is in no way an endorsement of her, but if we are in the era of celebrity I truthfully can’t think of a single one better suited to run for President and win than her.


And I certainly agree with this.
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Oh for crying out loud, I know how popular Oprah is.

I don't care how popular as a talk show host she is. I think Oprah's popularity is a mile wide and an inch deep. The second she announces she's running, her "approval" rating drops 20+ points. The second she takes a stance on any issue, another 10. That's how politics works. And if "American suburban women" vote for her because they liked her talk show and her chats with Dr. Phil, then, sorry, American suburban women are as big idiots as those white working class males who voted for Trump. I'm guessing, and hoping, they have more sense than that. Didn't suburban white women (the Democrats anyway) go for HRC over Obama in the 2008 Democratic Primary, despite O's endorsement of Obama? And weren't a lot of O's fans annoyed with her when she broke her usual policy and endorsed Obama?

And I have zero indication from her career that she could withstand a Presidential primary or general election campaign. Nor that she has the skills to deflect and overcome lack of experience the way Trump did. To be frank, the only people I see taking this seriously are the celebrity press, news talking heads who want to push a story and people whose knowledge of politics is limited to their Twitter feed.

And if the Democrats nominate her they're just as ignorant as the Republicans who nominated Trump. I'd hope as a party the Dems would have more sense than that...but probably not. And if she somehow did run and win, I think in her own way she'd be as much of a disaster as Trump. The best thing about this happening would be seeing her Dem primary opponents try to run against Oprah without daring to say a single negative thing about her.

You guys are probably right, and I'm probably wrong. Oprah Winfrey could be elected President, and a lot of Americans would think that would be just great. So hey, if America elects Donald Trump, then Oprah Winfrey, you get the Government you deserve.

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Yep.
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