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Old 12-13-2017, 07:30 PM   #261
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i don't wish for any health crises removing him from office or killing him, simply because i don't want his followers to have the ammunition to turn him into a martyr or claim like everything was going great and he just had bad luck/a turn of fate.

i hope we get to see him take a massive and embarrassing loss either due to congress turning on him and dumping him, criminal charges landing him in a cell, or a historically massive landslide in 2020. the best ending to this would be to see his ego mortally wounded and watch him have to live out the rest of his days as the most humiliated and reviled president of all time.
Well, yes.

I don't wish ill health on anyone, even Trump.

I so, however, find it hilarious when Trump supporters get offended by something like a stroke joke, considering they voted for the most despicable candidate in the history of presidential elections.

They've kind of lost the right to be offended by shit like that.
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i hope we get to see him take a massive and embarrassing loss either due to congress turning on him and dumping him, criminal charges landing him in a cell, or a historically massive landslide in 2020. the best ending to this would be to see his ego mortally wounded and watch him have to live out the rest of his days as the most humiliated and reviled president of all time.
Thirded.

He has never, in his entire life, had to live at the behest of other people. We all know he is already unhinged and mentally unstable - imagine how it would be for an entitled asshole like him, for the first time at nearly 80 years old to have absolutely no power over anybody pretty much. The meltdown would be epic. There isn't enough Diet Coke in the world for that.
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i don't wish for any health crises removing him from office or killing him, simply because i don't want his followers to have the ammunition to turn him into a martyr or claim like everything was going great and he just had bad luck/a turn of fate.

i hope we get to see him take a massive and embarrassing loss either due to congress turning on him and dumping him, criminal charges landing him in a cell, or a historically massive landslide in 2020. the best ending to this would be to see his ego mortally wounded and watch him have to live out the rest of his days as the most humiliated and reviled president of all time.


Don’t get me wrong. What I wish most is him spending the rest of his life behind bars and the destruction of the present incarnation of the GOP.
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I don’t wish physical harm on trump or anyone either. But I do wish he gets impeached, thrown in jail, gets sued for all he is worth, suffers the worst humiliation in history. Is that too much to ask?

But yes if he were to be killed while in office, history might remember him more for his death (while in office) rather than for the POS that he is. And some will view him as a hero if he dies in office. So no let the sob lose all his power, money and suffer his days in jail instead. I rather him be remembered for the con that he is!
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Well, yes.

I don't wish ill health on anyone, even Trump.

I so, however, find it hilarious when Trump supporters get offended by something like a stroke joke, considering they voted for the most despicable candidate in the history of presidential elections.

They've kind of lost the right to be offended by shit like that.



He did just call Kristin Gillibrand a whore on Twitter.

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I so, however, find it hilarious when Trump supporters get offended by something like a stroke joke, considering they voted for the most despicable candidate in the history of presidential elections.

They've kind of lost the right to be offended by shit like that.
Exactly. Like I've said before, they wanted to live in a non-PC world where they could be all, "I can say whatever I want and tough crap if you're offended by it". If that's the world they want, fine. Then they need to remember that it goes both ways. Do unto others, and all that.
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Yes! The best way to point out hypocrisy is being hypocritical! The best way to call out someone who mocks people’s health issues is to mock people’s health issues!
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Donald Trump lies constantly but is to be believed. If CNN offers one retraction or correction, they must be wholly dismissed as fake news. If the left kept Harvey Weinstein a secret for years, how can we believe them when it comes to global warming?
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Yes! The best way to point out hypocrisy is being hypocritical! The best way to call out someone who mocks people’s health issues is to mock people’s health issues!
You're right. I remember calling people out when they made jokes about Dick Cheney having another heart issue.

Alas, I have little sympathy for a man as despicable as Trump, who taunts the handicapped and makes illusions of sexual favors from senators, and that's not even touching on the racist dog whistles, which, let's be honest, are more like.dog bullhorns.

Nor do I have sympathy for a man who mocks others health, while he has a diet of KFC, Big Macs and a dozen Diet Cokes.

Nor do I have sympathy for an anyone who points out how classless stroke jokes are, yet voted for the guy described above.

Perhaps that makes me a hypocrite in this particular case. I'm okay with that.

Fuck this guy and all who voted for him.
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Perhaps that makes me a hypocrite in this particular case. I'm okay with that.
I know.

I just don't think other people's bad behaviour is an excuse for my own. Especially mocking people's health and wishing bad things to happen to them. It has nothing to do with Trump or having "sympathy" for him.

Karma and all that.
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Yes! The best way to point out hypocrisy is being hypocritical! The best way to call out someone who mocks people’s health issues is to mock people’s health issues!
For my part, my comments are not so much a desire to point out hypocrisy as it is more a simple reminder that in order to get respect, you have to earn it and show it yourself. And they're also a reminder that whatever you put out in the world does come back to you.

I don't engage in those kinds of jokes. I have no desire to do so. I can find plenty of ways to call out Trump without going there. But the fact remains (and I know you know this and would agree) that Trump has not earned a single shred of respect during his entire time in office (and hell, before that). He hasn't shown a single shred of decency or kindness, and his actions, as well as those of his supporters, have had great negative consequence for our country.

So fair or unfair, hypocritical or not, it's not surprising to me that some people who are beyond fed up with Trump and his supporters' shit will respond in kind as a result.
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I do agree that Trump isn't worthy of respect. His office deserves respect, but he certainly doesn't. He's obviously a loathsome human being, along with being a horrid President. In some cases, being a loathsome human being doesn't necessarily mean you'd be bad President. Or being a good human being doesn't mean you'd make for a good President. But in Trump's case, his bad character has informed his Presidency to a large degree and helped make him a bad President. No one else in that office has deserved to be impeached more.

Let's put in this way...if I normally wouldn't mock someone's weight, or appearance, or physical health (or take pleasure in their health issues), I'm certainly not going to start for a low life like Trump. So it's my low regard for the President that makes me even more committed to not stoop to his level.
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I'm not even sure the office deserves respect right now. At least with past presidents, the office was something more than a reality tv show. I hope respect is restored, regardless of party holding it.

My fear is that this isn't the end. We'll see President Ted Nugent

FoxNews is in full mental mode right now. Not only is the Mueller investigation compromised, but the entire FBI! We may need to disband the entire organization since they are nothing more than the KGB now. These analysts know that comparing the FBI to the very country and organization that is claimed to have colluded with Trump isn't a good idea?

It's been pretty quiet since the Flynn flip, so I wonder with the panic at Fox that something else is coming soon? My best guess is either Junior or the Kush are the next indictments.
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2020 isn't the test to see if this is just a blip on the radar.

Trump will lose and lose by a lot, if he's still in office. You can't win with numbers like these, and there will be fatigue like we've never seen. Add in turn out that will rival the first election of Obama by there left (if not surpass) and it's over. If he even gets to 2020, which is highly in doubt.

The test will come in 2022, 2024, 2026, 2028... Will the newly invigorated moderate and liberal electorate stay as motivated as they are now? It will it sink once again.
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I'm not even sure the office deserves respect right now. At least with past presidents, the office was something more than a reality tv show. I hope respect is restored, regardless of party holding it.

My fear is that this isn't the end. We'll see President Ted Nugent

FoxNews is in full mental mode right now. Not only is the Mueller investigation compromised, but the entire FBI! We may need to disband the entire organization since they are nothing more than the KGB now. These analysts know that comparing the FBI to the very country and organization that is claimed to have colluded with Trump isn't a good idea?

It's been pretty quiet since the Flynn flip, so I wonder with the panic at Fox that something else is coming soon? My best guess is either Junior or the Kush are the next indictments.
Wait until Trump does something outrageous. That's his obvious tell that a big hand is about to be dealt
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It's not hypocrisy to think bad things should happen to bad people and good things should happen to good people. There are not two equal sides in politics, at least not American politics.
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Net neutrality is gone, so I'll throw a goodbye in here since my Internet could get throttled at any moment. They probably won't take kindly to a guy who follows a lot of socialists on social media.

By the way, Pai was put on the FCC by Obama. This is what happens when you give the other side something. Politics is a battle for who gets what. When you win, take everything you possibly can. The Republicans know this, the Democrats don't.
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This is why so many people in my generation are sympathetic to socialism. Many of these things were known, but when you put all of these pieces together at once, it paints a scary picture. And it's hard to draw a conclusion other than "capitalism can't work."

Millennials Are Screwed - The Huffington Post
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This is why so many people in my generation are sympathetic to socialism. Many of these things were known, but when you put all of these pieces together at once, it paints a scary picture. And it's hard to draw a conclusion other than "capitalism can't work."

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I've seen this, but frankly I'm not convinced most millennials even know what socialism really is (not saying that you're part of this group). Most have a shockingly limited understanding of even basic economics. And the economic views they do have are often weirdly contradictory.
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The debt issues millennials face should be of high concern to everyone. I don't think that is necessarily an argument against capitalism, though: rather that some critical institutions, like higher education and healthcare, are operating right now as market failures and no one wants to identify or address them as such.
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