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Old 10-19-2017, 09:10 PM   #81
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I could get behind Evan McMullin.
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Even if I had respect for the CIA (no surprises there), McMullin wouldn't impress me a great deal. That's just my take.
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I don't like McMullin. But I can respect the vote.
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Sure. Two historically awful candidates put up by the major parties. Assumed no impact on Maine's congressional district electoral vote. And Mr. McMullin's ideas were in the ballpark for me. All together, enough for a write-in.



So you didn’t do everything you could to prevent the disaster/crisis we have unfolding before our eyes.
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So you didn’t do everything you could to prevent the disaster/crisis we have unfolding before our eyes.
I get the sentiment but surely you can't expect every Republican to vote for an historically unpopular candidate in Clinton, just because Trump was/is a fucking fanny.
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I get the sentiment but surely you can't expect every Republican to vote for an historically unpopular candidate in Clinton, just because Trump was/is a fucking fanny.


If the goal is to prevent him from entering the White House, there was a best way to do that. It also would have sent a message that racism and sexual assault are, actually, bad things and should be the defining characteristics of the POTUS.

I know many Republicans — the country club/chamber of commerce type — who voted for HRC.

I also know many dipshits who felt that voting Johnson or Stein was somehow a noble act because they wanted to protest the two party system.

Because the two parties are exactly the same. Aren’t they.

We all see that now. Totally the same. The two parties. Can’t tell a difference.
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Far be it from me to *ever* quite a monstrous simpleton like W in any sort of positive context, but we are living in the Upside Down these days.

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This means that people of every race, religion, and ethnicity can be fully and equally American. It means that bigotry or white supremacy in any form is blasphemy against the American creed."
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I think some people (white) were OK with the racism, sexism, and bigotry as long as the swamp was drained and their income/jobs were restored.

Which of course they could vote that way and not fear repercussions
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I think some people (white) were OK with the racism, sexism, and bigotry as long as the swamp was drained and their income/jobs were restored.

Which of course they could vote that way and not fear repercussions



But the sexual assault, multiple wives -‘d children, the rape accusations, the fat shaming, the daughter-lust, the measuring of a woman’s value in terms of her fuckability — how did white women explain this to themselves?
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But the sexual assault, multiple wives -‘d children, the rape accusations, the fat shaming, the daughter-lust, the measuring of a woman’s value in terms of her fuckability — how did white women explain this to themselves?
I think something like 53% of white women voted for him (so gross and disappointing)

I'd be interested in knowing what the % of evangelical/fundie white women + rural, uneducated white women was within that 53%. My guess is a large bulk. These are women who either believe it is their Godly duty to follow their "headship" (husband) or just defer to their gun totin' racist man because they were raised in that environment.
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I think it’s more basic than that.

All the “moral values” talk is a smokescreen, and they know that.
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So I went on a date with a lady who voted for Trump. She was a very nice person, super sweet. Single mother, manager at her workplace, and living in a nice house in North County / San Diego. So not trailer trash

Her father was in the military, and since that field leans heavily GOP, I think that is what influenced her voting history. She gave no impression of anti feminist, racism, or in favor of the big bad Wall Street.

When I asked why she would vote for someone like Trump, her only answer was "How could you vote for that monster Hillary? Really, HILLARY???"

Clinton has been demonized so much by the GOP that to their base she is literally the anti-christ. She even went as far to say she thought Trump was doing an OK job (this was back in June/July).

I believe it falls under tribalism, and demonizing the other side. Otherwise, I have no idea.
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We had chips and salsa, some beer, and politely went on our way. I am not going to hate someone for who they voted for, but I'm definitely not going to pursue a relationship with someone with so much of a different view/perspective
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I think it’s more basic than that.

All the “moral values” talk is a smokescreen, and they know that.
Yeah, that's fair.

It makes me think of the story I read coming out of somewhere in either Virginia or North Carolina in 2008, when somebody canvassing their neighbourhood on behalf of the Obama campaign knocked on the door and your stereotypical white guy with an NRA sticker on the mailbox came out. The canvasser asked him if he had thought about who he was voting for and the guy said something to the effect of "I guess I'm voting for the N-word." I wonder what happened to that guy.
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I think something like 53% of white women voted for him (so gross and disappointing)

I'd be interested in knowing what the % of evangelical/fundie white women + rural, uneducated white women was within that 53%. My guess is a large bulk. These are women who either believe it is their Godly duty to follow their "headship" (husband) or just defer to their gun totin' racist man because they were raised in that environment.
Can confirm. My mom's told me about how she works with a lot of women who voted for Trump for the very reasons you note. She's got one co-worker who has even admitted as much, saying that her husband and son tell her that Fox News is the only real news channel out there and she listens to them because "they know best" and stuff like that. Many of my female relatives tend to think similarly. They're the sort who tend to do everything with their husbands, and don't really seem to have much of a life of their own.

I also agree that the extreme hatred for and willingness to believe literally any horrible things said about Hillary, no matter how untrue they are, played a big role, unfortunately. People still believe she would've been worse than what we have now. There's no penetrating that mindset.

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So I went on a date with a lady who voted for Trump. She was a very nice person, super sweet. Single mother, manager at her workplace, and living in a nice house in North County / San Diego. So not trailer trash
Aw, hey, let's not toss all trailer park people into the same lot.
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BEAL and The Girl From The North Country.
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There’s just a huge portion of this population that can’t think. They’ve never opened an economics book, they know nothing of what’s happening outside side of their own borders, and they know nothing of other religions(in fact they know little of their own). So painting a black and white world and denying nuance brings them comfort, for anything else would be uncomfortable. These people are in the Republican Party and Democratic Party, they only care about the D or the R.

So you have a bunch of party over fact zombies, you have the most demonized woman in the US, and this particular loudmouth talks like they do. They could have ran Hitler and most of these folks would have still voted for him.

None of the other stuff matters. It was a technical win, there’s no message here.

People didn’t want to think, so now we’re stuck with this shit stain on our country and will have to find a way to fight the irreconcilable actions of this ego.
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Yeah, that's fair.



It makes me think of the story I read coming out of somewhere in either Virginia or North Carolina in 2008, when somebody canvassing their neighbourhood on behalf of the Obama campaign knocked on the door and your stereotypical white guy with an NRA sticker on the mailbox came out. The canvasser asked him if he had thought about who he was voting for and the guy said something to the effect of "I guess I'm voting for the N-word." I wonder what happened to that guy.



I know several people who have said “my racist grandparents voted for Obama twice.”

Some of it was Obama’s own magic, I think that was a lot of 2008. I think in 2012 they successfully turned Romney into the guy who fired your dad.

2016 ... who can say? I think Trump felt fresh and exciting and different to the two most status quo people ever (Jeb and HRC), and that plus some Russian propaganda was enough for him to lose by 3m votes.
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I just finished a book called 'Why Buddhism is True. The Science and Philosophy of Meditation and Enlightenment'

And the author talks about how tribalism is one of the biggest threats to humanity. How we are so driven by our feelings, and our feelings are linked back to the very beginning of a species and Natural Selection. Social Media and Apps are designed to tap into these subconscious wiring to hook us even more (and you could say that about any great marketing campaign).

Even something like Climate Change is done in by our tribalism. If you're a Republican, you're less likely to believe it because you don't trust science.

It's a great read, and something that I've been dabbling in for the past year (vipassana meditation). The author makes the statement that if more and more people could take the time to meditate, it may lead to less and less combativeness against each other.

Anyway, just a random book drop.
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