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Old 11-02-2017, 10:05 PM   #361
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Did you feel a momentary sense of peace this afternoon?

Trump's Twitter was deleted accidentally for about 11 minutes.

Edit: ha ha, it was an employee going out with a bang on his last day.

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Old 11-02-2017, 11:39 PM   #362
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Is that true? Cause if so that person deserves a lifetime of free drinks!
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Old 11-02-2017, 11:47 PM   #363
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Old 11-03-2017, 12:10 AM   #364
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because you didn't really want to get any sleep tonight ...


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The sheer absurdity of the tale is familiar these days, reminiscent of “Pizzagate,” the bonkers story about Democrats running a child prostitution ring out of a DC pizza joint. Even after it went viral on Reddit and some jacked-up angry white guy showed up at Comet Pizza with a gun, it still had the scent of parody. It is quite simply impossible for most people to imagine believing all the things that would be required to also believe that DC Democrats are into organized child trafficking.

It is similarly difficult for most people to imagine believing that Hillary Clinton has had multiple people killed, that Obama is a secret Muslim who wasn’t born in the US, that Trump had millions of votes stolen, that Barack Obama wiretapped Trump’s White House, that Seth Rich (the mid-level Democratic staffer who was tragically murdered) was assassinated for stealing DNC emails and giving them to WikiLeaks, or that Antifa, the fringe anti-fascist movement, will begin going door-to-door, killing white people, starting on November 4.

And yet millions of Americans fervently believe these things. Different polls find different things, and it’s always difficult to distinguish what people really believe from what they say on surveys. But if 30 percent of America’s 200 million registered voters are Republicans, and 40 percent of those don’t believe Obama was born in the US, well, that’s 24 million people, among them the most active participants in Republican politics.

In short, an increasingly large chunk of Americans believes a whole bunch of crazy things, and it is warping our politics.

This basic story has been told plenty of times (my longer version is here), but the reason we should not let it out of our sights right now is the Mueller investigation.

As Ezra Klein laid out, there is enough on the record now to make it at the very least highly probable that there was collusion between the Trump campaign and Russia, meant to affect the outcome of the election. Er, despite what Trump says.

We don’t know yet if Mueller has the goods — documentary or testimonial proof of explicit collusion — or if he can get them, so we have no idea how this is ultimately going to play out.

But we are disturbingly close to the following scenario:

Say Mueller reveals hard proof that the Trump campaign knowingly colluded with Russia, strategically using leaked emails to hurt Clinton’s campaign. Say the president — backed by the Wall Street Journal editorial page, Fox News, Breitbart, most of the US Cabinet, half the panelists on CNN, most of the radio talk show hosts in the country, and an enormous network of Russian-paid hackers and volunteer shitposters working through social media — rejects the evidence.

They might say Mueller is compromised. It’s a Hillary/”deep state” plot. There’s nothing wrong with colluding with Russia in this particular way. Dems did it first. All of the above. Whatever.

Say the entire right-wing media machine kicks to life and dismisses the whole thing as a scam — and conservatives believe them. The conservative base remains committed to Trump, politicians remain scared to cross the base, and US politics remains stuck in partisan paralysis, unable to act on what Mueller discovers.

In short, what if Mueller proves the case and it’s not enough? What if there is no longer any evidentiary standard that could overcome the influence of right-wing media?

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-polit...istemic-crisis

there's so much more.

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Old 11-03-2017, 01:30 AM   #365
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So what's the answer to that sobering what if?

I said a year ago it felt like the US appeared to be too divided to have any options left, short of separating into different nation states. Is that slowly happening before our eyes?
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Old 11-03-2017, 08:40 AM   #366
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Your Secretary of Energy; Rick Perry, ladies and gentlemen:

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/whi...ssault-n816896
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Old 11-03-2017, 09:33 AM   #367
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Does anyone else think they're setting up Sessions to take the fall for all of this?
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Old 11-03-2017, 10:04 AM   #368
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I️ think Sessions is fucked, but don’t know if it’s a setup for him.

Imagine if Sessions has also been wearing a wire? His motivation could have come from Trump bullying him earlier in the year.

I️ think these are the targets

Flynn
Trump Jr
Kushner
Sessions
Trump

I️ think we get conspiracy against USA charges as well as money laundering for Trump
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Old 11-03-2017, 10:15 AM   #369
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I think getting one of Trump/Trump Jr/Sessions/Kushner is probably the goal at this point - assuming the special counsel believes but has a hard time proving criminal activity from atop the campaign.
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Old 11-03-2017, 10:34 AM   #370
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I don't know if it's a set up either but Sessions is the obvious fall guy. Trump basically can't stand him and thinks he's a weakling. He has no loyalty and Sessions will be thrown to the wolves if that's what it takes.
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Old 11-03-2017, 11:18 AM   #371
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The big domino that has fallen somewhat under the radar this week is Sam Clovis. If he's working with Mueller than whoever should be fucked will be fucked.
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Yep, he's singing to the feds.

Irvine's post is what scares me the most. That we've come so far into the world of "feelings" that facts won't matter. So whatever Mueller finds, assuming it puts Trump in legal trouble, the GOP won't do anything about it because they can't lose the 30 million base that won't believe it's true.
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That's always a possibility... but Trump's ratings are down to 33%. We may never convince that 33% that he's anything other than a demigod; but he's lost the moderate Republicans that broke his way in the election. I doubt they'd mind a President Pence.

Then again, a President Pence is frightening enough in its own right...
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Yes he is, but I don't fear him as much as Trump. Though I don't have a lot to fear, I'm a white straight male.

Three GOP senators have introduced a bill to force Mueller to resign. The reasoning, Mueller was head of FBI when Uranium One deal was made.

Trump has also called on DOJ to prosecute a political opponent 5x in the last 24hours

These are the actions of people who are very scared of what's coming next
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That's always a possibility... but Trump's ratings are down to 33%. We may never convince that 33% that he's anything other than a demigod; but he's lost the moderate Republicans that broke his way in the election.
There is probably some room for movement there. Dick Cheney bottomed out at about 19%. Since the country is even more partisan now I'd guess that the floor might be around 25%.
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Yeah, the hotel stuff is going to come up soon and while I’m really intrigued, it’ll be a new low for our country
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Yeah, the hotel stuff is going to come up soon and while I’m really intrigued, it’ll be a new low for our country
Nah. Trump and his behaviour isn't representative of your country.

But it'd make amazing tv!
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Nah. Trump and his behaviour isn't representative of your country.

But it'd make amazing tv!


The most bigly ratings.
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God imagine if that's how he plays it. He resigns the presidency and spends the last few years of his life being a tv ratings superstar. He'll still feel he's won.
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