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Old 08-25-2017, 11:51 AM   #1101
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I seriously don't know why Interference lets fascists and fellow-travellers with fascism have this as a platform, however feeble a one it might be.
A core tenet of fascism is the suppression of opposite ideologies. I abhor all forms of tyranny, from the Left or Right.
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A core tenet of fascism is the suppression of opposite ideologies. I abhor all forms of tyranny, from the Left or Right.


Can we stop with the whole attempt to classify ideologies?

An ideology is a description of something that is produced by a set of beliefs. As you're describing it, fascism exists and is to be subscribed to. There are no "tenants" of fascism. You either act in a fascist way, or you don't.

Also, can you stop using the word "tyranny?" This isn't the Middle Ages. It's awkward.

Also also, the irony of your post...you identify this "core tenant" seemingly to follow up with a comment about how you do not suppress the ideology of opposition. Yet, simultaneously you give hints that you believe the left is guilty of this "tyranny," and that you abhor it. It's almost as though you fell into your own description.
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Old 08-25-2017, 12:15 PM   #1103
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It might have something to do with the arrogance it takes to make a statement like this. The inability to listen to all sides of an issue has been the Left's downfall.

As far as conspiracies go- oh Lord. We've been given one unproven conspiracy after another by the Left.
This is the equivalence of IH asking if it's possible to engage, when did the right start using irony so much? You're like the new hipsters, are you growing out your mustache too?
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Old 08-25-2017, 12:25 PM   #1104
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I actually do have a problem with him.


What is/are your problem/s with him?
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Old 08-25-2017, 12:31 PM   #1105
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Are there any non conspiracy theory conservatives around anymore? Miss the days of at least trying to debate trickle down economics versus child sex rings in non existent basements of pizza parlors.

Now we have to legitimize neo nazis as a discrimination group?
There used to be, but the wackos in the party drove any of us with a spine to the left.
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Old 08-25-2017, 12:34 PM   #1106
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I slipped that I'm near the end as a bit of a joke. I recall much love for wikileaks when the leaks were all damaging to then President Bush. Whether Seth Rich was murdered by the DNA or not for approaching wikileaks, we will probably never know. But his name represents the complete failure of the Russian-Trump conspiracy theories...
Oh for fucks sake
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Then what is your solution? We remove whites and just see if it all works out? The anti-white rhetoric sounds dangerously close to the antisemitism of the 1920's - there is a race that governs everything from job applications, bank loans, school boards, and the press...and ((they)) always look out for each other first. ((They)) are evil and must be removed.
What fucking world do you live in?

When have you been oppressed? When have your rights been infringed upon soley for being white?

Please. I want real world examples, not a friend right fantasy circle jerk.

Please share with me how your life as a white man has been made worse.
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California put Hillary's final vote count over the top (it is one HUGE liberal state - Republicans don't vote because it's wasted in an all or nothing electoral college state). We will see how that plays out after Voter ID laws. But we don't elect by a national tally - maybe we should. I 'm open to the idea. If this last election was a simple national tally, both candidates would have run a different campaign. And more Republicans would have voted in the traditionally "lost" states.

And how in any logical way is requiring an ID to vote a form of suppression? We certainly require IDs for far less important things than voting. One person = one vote....part of the foundation of modern civilization.
Pshh posh Hillary only won the popular vote because the places where all the people are voted for her. Open your eyes libtards!
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This doesn't help any in the conversation. Aeon is right about one thing, if you want to have a conversation about race, you can't go about with such broad strokes about any race, even if it's your own.


Cori made a lot of the points I was going to make but I'll still post. Almost every European country engaged in brutal colonialism in the past. They used their colonies to obtain massive amounts of wealth for themselves while brutalizing the native populations. The history of the US is one of slavery, which also helped generate massive amounts of wealth, and genocide against the Native Americans. It's an accurate statement.

The reason why it's different than the Arabs or Mongolians is because the legacy of colonialism and slavery still exists today. The descendants of people who were conquered by Genghis Khan aren't discriminated against and don't face massive economic inequalities that still exist because of the actions of Genghis Khan. The descendants of American slaves do have economic disparities between white people and the countries that were exploited by colonialism still face massive problems largely as a result of that colonialism.
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The Arabs attacked, conquered, and enslaved much of Europe...that European slave trade? It seems that would need to be included in your uniquely targeted "whites only" history.
When did the Arabs conquer and enslave much of Europe?
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Then what is your solution? We remove whites and just see if it all works out? The anti-white rhetoric sounds dangerously close to the antisemitism of the 1920's - there is a race that governs everything from job applications, bank loans, school boards, and the press...and ((they)) always look out for each other first. ((They)) are evil and must be removed.


The solution is to work to end the structural inequalities in our system. Ending mass incarceration, anti-racist curriculum in schools, reparations, etc. Is it really that hard to imagine ways to reduce inequality?

And to compare the accurate assessment that white people tend to control and dominate society with anti-Semitism is absolutely abhorrent.
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Pshh posh Hillary only won the popular vote because the places where all the people are voted for her. Open your eyes libtards!
If the popular vote was the way elections were won, then both candidates would have run a different campaign. Trump went for the electoral college - which is what we always see on all the channels...the importance of "swing states" and all of that. At no time before this election was anyone talking about how to win the popular vote.

You claim she won playing Sorry!, but they were playing Risk
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The Arabs attacked, conquered, and enslaved much of Europe...that European slave trade? It seems that would need to be included in your uniquely targeted "whites only" history.



Yes, the United States had slaves (in the South). They had a war (fought mostly by white men) that ended slavery in the US. The good side won! And it had white men on it! How do THEY not count as a positive? Why are only the "bad" whites targeted as examples?


The Arab attack on Europe doesn't affect society today. The Arab attack on Europe hasn't resulted in lasting inequalities between the Arab world and Europe. Colonialism, however, has resulted in massive disparities between Europe and colonized nations.

Those Northern whites compromised in 1876 to end Reconstruction which led to the implementation of Jim Crow. They might have ended slavery, but they didn't work to shape American society in a way that would reduce and eliminate racism towards black people. Instead they allowed Jim Crow to happen. And let's not forget that Northern whites were often just as racist. MLK even said that the crowds protesting him in Chicago were more vicious than Southerners. In the North, cities were redlined, preventing black people from building up housing wealth and police still brutalized them. Out here in Oregon, we banned black people from the state. The US' history of racism isn't cancelled out by the fact that the Civil War was won by white men.
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The solution is to work to end the structural inequalities in our system.
The Constitution resolves this.

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Ending mass incarceration,
For non-violent crimes, I agree.

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reparations, etc.
The people alive today are not responsible to pay anything (nor will they). The time for reparations to blacks (if any were to be paid) would have been during the Reconstruction. And even if we did force reparations - it would only cause more division: 1) No amount of money would ever be enough, 2) the vast, vast majority of white Americans come from ancestry that this not have slaves

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Is it really that hard to imagine ways to reduce inequality?
Not at all. Equally enforce the laws and equally apply scholarly, cultural, and institutional standards.

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And to compare the accurate assessment that white people tend to control and dominate society with anti-Semitism is absolutely abhorrent.
I compared the "boogie man" rhetoric
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The Arab attack on Europe doesn't affect society today. The Arab attack on Europe hasn't resulted in lasting inequalities between the Arab world and Europe. Colonialism, however, has resulted in massive disparities between Europe and colonized nations.
So - according to you - anything done BY Europeans counts, anything done TO Europeans does not. Man, you really hate Europeans.

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Those Northern whites compromised in 1876 to end Reconstruction which led to the implementation of Jim Crow. They might have ended slavery, but they didn't work to shape American society in a way that would reduce and eliminate racism towards black people. Instead they allowed Jim Crow to happen. And let's not forget that Northern whites were often just as racist. MLK even said that the crowds protesting him in Chicago were more vicious than Southerners. In the North, cities were redlined, preventing black people from building up housing wealth and police still brutalized them. Out here in Oregon, we banned black people from the state. The US' history of racism isn't cancelled out by the fact that the Civil War was won by white men.
Wow - whites get no credit at all. Only the bad. Yet everybody on the globe wants to rush into this horrible white system...to be oppressed by whites.
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You're like the new hipsters, are you growing out your mustache too?
Ouch. That hurts! (that was funny - I'll give you that one)
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The Constitution resolves this.

For non-violent crimes, I agree.

Way too subjective

The people alive today are not responsible to pay anything (nor will they). The time for reparations to blacks (if any were to be paid) would have been during the Reconstruction. And even if we did force reparations - it would only cause more division: 1) No amount of money would ever be enough, 2) the vast, vast majority of white Americans come from ancestry that this not have slaves

Not at all. Equally enforce the laws and equally apply scholarly, cultural, and institutional standards.


And to compare the accurate assessment that white people tend to control and dominate society with anti-Semitism is absolutely abhorrent.
How does the Constitution resolve structural inequalities in the system? The Constitution has been used to both maintain and erode structural inequalities at various points in our history.

How is anti-racist curriculum too subjective?

Ta-Nehisi Coates makes a very compelling case for reparations here: https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine...ations/361631/. It isn't just slavery. It's things like redlining that resulted in black people not being able to take part in one of the largest expansions of wealth in our nation's history, the housing boom after WWII. That is recent history.
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So - according to you - anything done BY Europeans counts, anything done TO Europeans does not. Man, you really hate Europeans.
I still want to know when, according to you, the Arabs attacked, conquered and enslaved much of Europe?
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If the popular vote was the way elections were won, then both candidates would have run a different campaign. Trump went for the electoral college - which is what we always see on all the channels...the importance of "swing states" and all of that. At no time before this election was anyone talking about how to win the popular vote.

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Oh? Is that how our elections work? Thanks!
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So - according to you - anything done BY Europeans counts, anything done TO Europeans does not. Man, you really hate Europeans.

Wow - whites get no credit at all. Only the bad. Yet everybody on the globe wants to rush into this horrible white system...to be oppressed by whites.
What has been done to you, as a straight white male, to oppress you, simply based on the color of your skin or your choice of religion? Please be specific.
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