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Old 08-17-2017, 04:25 PM   #801
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There is a Pershing - Muslim story that appears to be credible.


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A Chicago Daily Tribune article from 1927 has a story where Pershing had prisoners from the Moro Rebellion in the Philippines. The Moros were Muslims who resisted American or any other occupying force.

The Moros had swordsmen, called Juramentados, who were killing Christians in this uprising. It had to be stopped. General Pershing was given this difficult task.

The Tribune article says Pershing sprinkled some prisoners with pig's blood, which the Juramentados believed would condemn them for eternity. But then Pershing let the prisoners go. He issued a warning to others about being sprinkled with the pig's blood. The Tribune article said "those drops of porcine gore proved more powerful than bullets."

Not a tactic I would support
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i'm loath to agree with deep but it's definitely not (entirely) fake. the british caused a nationwide revolt in india in the 1850s and almost lost the entire british raj by insisting on using rifle cartridges greased with beef tallow and pig fat and simultaneously pissing off both the hindus and the muslims. this was back in the day when you had to bite the paper off the cartridge and stuff the whole lot down the muzzle of your rifle so even the loyal soldiers from the local populace who joined the british military were being forced to break a religious taboo every single day just doing their jobs. much to the shock and consternation of the british officers, even the most loyal sepoys weren't about to choose queen victoria over their gods.

not totally the same, but just relating this to point out that this sort of deliberate pissing on foreign religious taboos in order to subjugate native peoples was not uncommon back in the day. saying that it was responsible for stopping "radical islamic terror" (it was actually a resistance to a foreign imperialist invader, but who's counting when you have an agenda to push) though is completely out to fucking lunch. the wholesale genocidal slaughter of entire indigenous populations (by good ol' yankee doughboys, let's not forget) probably had a little more to do with it.

seriously, the philippine-american war is probably the most atrocious thing the united states military has ever done. that and the "strategic" firebombing of german and japanese cities are easily 1-2 on the list. there's a reason nobody in the united states ever talks about that war.
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Hey, thanks for the clarification! I had posted the same remark on Facebook - mind if I copy/paste your clarification there in my thread?
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not sure if you were talking to me or deep, but i certainly don't mind if you wanna share my post.
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seriously, the philippine-american war is probably the most atrocious thing the united states military has ever done. that and the "strategic" firebombing of german and japanese cities are easily 1-2 on the list. there's a reason nobody in the united states ever talks about that war.

those events* are terrible, but I think Black Americans and Native Americans would think there treatments should be at the top of the list.

I suppose on a 1 to 10 scale, we can put Hitler and the Final Solution at a 10.
Of course if you are in the affected group you feel it is a 10.

To rate some in the 8 point something to 9 point something would be callous.

The young woman that was killed in Charleston on Saturday is truly tragic, when I see a black American get shot in the back by a Police Officer, well those events are tragic and rate 10 to the victims families. The Barcelona Terrorists attack can be rated higher than the Charleston Terrorist attack by scale, but tragic,senseless loss of innocent human life both rate a 10.

getting back to American Government atrocities, I know there is a lot of blinding hatred for Trump by many. I have seen this before. I witnessed people with blinding hatred of Bill Clinton, there was blinding hatred of W, and also blinding hatred of Obama by their opponents. I have only had a blinding hatred of one President that was W. On your list of atrocities the Iraq War should be included. I watched that unfold in real time A fake War from the get go. And with all news organizations on board, CNN, NYT, etc. The beginning they were cheer-leading the "shock and awe" as tens of thousands of people in Baghdad and other cities were being blown apart and burned alive. Men, women and children.
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Hey, thanks for the clarification! I had posted the same remark on Facebook - mind if I copy/paste your clarification there in my thread?

this was his tweet today

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Study what General Pershing of the United States did to terrorists when caught. There was no more Radical Islamic Terror for 35 years!
and if 15 of you want to pile on and attribute things to me I never said, feel free

I have always been against Nazis, White Supremacists, KKK and blame the left-leaning ACLU for defending their right to meet in public when both parties would not support them, As both parties reject and what they stand for now.
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deep, I know that's what Trump tweeted, that's what spurred my post.

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not sure if you were talking to me or deep, but i certainly don't mind if you wanna share my post.
Thanks.
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To inject US into world politics...my beloved college basketball team (University of Arizona) was playing on a summer tour in Spain, and today was an off day for them to do touristy things.

In Barcelona.


They are all OK, as is the travelling party of some 300. A few other college teams were also there (GCU, Clemson, Oregon State, etc). The similarities are overwhelming...car driven into crowd with the intent to kill and strike terror in the hearts and minds of people who think other than the driver.


Yet we see the difference in the reaction from the POTUS. He is long since abandoned trying to be sensical, to have a common thread to his actions other than "whatever is wrong to do".
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and blame the left-leaning ACLU for defending their right to meet in public when both parties would not support them.
No social/legal justice group should EVER make their advocacy based upon whether that group would defend them.

The ACLU only defended their right to get the permit, etc. The 1st Amendment and all that. And at that point, we all know the 1st Amendment is not a free-for-all...if the authorities find the speech to cause harm or incite, they can shut it down and be well within the framework of the Amendment. And people can come to shout them down as well, and that adds to the concern over the speech being "inciting".

All of that is independent of the ACLU's job, which is simply to make sure the government does not hand out permits to speak based upon their own idea of what is OK and not OK. That is fundamental...a fundamental check against the government influencing the public forum. And is not something that should be attacked. There is a clear separation from that permit issuance, and the decision as to whether the speech is inciting. And that decision can be made when the speech not directly protected by the 1st Amendment begins.

And we have to have that. One of the few true "slippery slopes" in existence.
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Do any of you think this report by CNN is legit?

Is this real?

CNN: There Will Be Questions About Whether Barcelona Attack Was 'Copycat' of Charlottesville


Here is a better link from Huff post

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/...b0e8cc855c5db6

stellar CNN reporting, someone please give Blitzer another Walter Concrike Award.
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On your list of atrocities the Iraq War should be included. I watched that unfold in real time A fake War from the get go. And with all news organizations on board, CNN, NYT, etc. The beginning they were cheer-leading the "shock and awe" as tens of thousands of people in Baghdad and other cities were being blown apart and burned alive. Men, women and children.
i'm assuming you are unaware of the history behind the philippine-american war, and don't know about the enormous concentration camps surrounded by free-fire zones set up by the american military, or the tactic of sailing up to cities with large ironclad fleets and bombarding everything indiscriminately until literally nothing was standing and no-one was left alive before moving ground troops in without them having to fire a shot or take a casualty due to every single citizen being dead or buried, or the standing orders to shoot on sight any civilian out after the start of the arbitrary curfew (the start time of which was up to the whims of the local commander and frequently changed day-to-day without notice), or the indiscriminate medieval-style sacking (think of barbarians raping and pillaging and you're getting kinda close) of thousands of towns and villages, etc etc.

both sides were guilty of the most disgusting war crimes, but the filipino guerrillas hiding in the jungles attempting to cast off the imperialist invaders weren't destroying entire cities as a strategy.

iraq was undoubtedly horrible (mind that a lot of the visceral sense of the horror comes from having experienced seeing it with your own eyes on CNN), but the philippine war was a nightmare rampage of genocidal hell on par with king leopold of belgium's personal rule of the congo free state around the same time.
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Do any of you think this report by CNN is legit?

Is this real?

CNN: There Will Be Questions About Whether Barcelona Attack Was 'Copycat' of Charlottesville


Here is a better link from Huff post

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/...b0e8cc855c5db6

stellar CNN reporting, someone please give Blitzer another Walter Concrike Award.


What type of legitimacy scale are we using?

As legitimate as Trump's presidency?

As legitimate as Fox News being balanced and not racist?

Or are we talking MC Hammer legitimacy?
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I have always been against Nazis, White Supremacists, KKK
You mean "the fine people" as your President (whom you supported and voted for) says?
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Do any of you think this report by CNN is legit?

Here is a better link from Huff post

CNN's Wolf Blitzer Suggests Barcelona Attack Is A 'Copycat' of Charlottesville | HuffPost

stellar CNN reporting, someone please give Blitzer another Walter Cronkite Award.
Sure was a unique piece of speculation from Wolf, wasn't it. I do find him to be one of the more restrained afternoon/evening hosts on the network usually, though.
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I like when our Trump supporters drop in when there's a terror attack but are nowhere to be found when he's goose stepping through the Rose Garden.
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Or if the fake news happens to make a mistake in reporting, then it just proves the bias.

Yet the administration never admits a mistake so they are always free from criticism.
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It baffles me how Trumps own family can even support him.
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Witness accounts I've read from peaceful counter-protesters are saying that Antifa members were protecting them from the white supremacy groups and that if it had not been for them there would have been many more casualties. Obviously it was too much for the local police to handle. How then are they equally to blame?
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It baffles me how Trumps own family can even support him.
I mean... they're his kids.

They're all relatively silent, and they aren't the silent types. So I think that says enough for now.

But I wouldn't expect Ivanka to publicly come out against her own father while he's still in office.
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The guy who ghost wrote "the art of the deal" believes trump won't last the rest of the year.

As Headache has predicted too, he believes that Trump will strike a deal with Mueller in that he'll get immunity and resign to avoid charges.

After this last weekend he doesn't see how trump recovers.

Not getting hopes up but I think with the investigation looking into $$$$$, that is where you can hurt Trump. He's oblivious to anything else

His kids have been completely silent since the Russian meeting story too. I think they are all fucked and are cooperating to get deals made
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