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Funny...
http://www.u2interference.com/forums/showthread.php?p=7695110
... you didn't want to give the same sympathies to Muslims that you give to white nationalists and neo-nazis
http://www.u2interference.com/forums/showthread.php?p=7695110
... you didn't want to give the same sympathies to Muslims that you give to white nationalists and neo-nazis
Moonlit_Angel
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These last few pages...holy...
Yes, because the Confederate flag is totally the same thing as waving a rainbow flag or an American flag
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And Headache posted an article describing his racist actions a number of pages back. I also noted his hiring people for his administration that are racist and xenophobic. Why hire them if he doesn't plan to use them to help carry out his views?
Here's the thing, generally, people who hold those kinds of racist and xenophobic views do not stop at just believing that stuff. It always comes through in their actions as well. My grandma, for instance, spouted racist beliefs, and she backed them up by closing the curtains when my dad brought home a black friend from school once, so that none of the neighbors would see.
Nazis and white nationalists tend to have a big history of committing violence. The guy who rammed his car into the crowd in Charlottesville also had a history of domestic violence. They're not content to just spout their views, they want to make them a reality. There's a reason they're often armed with a boatload of guns, after all.
Ah, yes, that old nonsense rumor. That's been proven to be completely false. So try again.
Nope. Try again.
I would need to see Clinton's stance on the issue, 'cause I have no memory of that.
It got locked because the particular poster who started the thread has a history of posting controversial things and up and leaving without continuing the conversation, and engaging other posters in honest debate. Not because of the political views in and of themselves. If that poster actually wanted to try engaging in a proper debate for once, we'd be all for it.
From what I've seen of some of the recent conservatives who've left, they left because they turned into nothing but trolls who responded to debates with stupid memes and saying ridiculous things to intentionally try and rile people up, instead of actually trying to have a mature conversation. One of the recent conservatives who hung around here was outed as a white nationalist after being kicked out for trolling behavior.
I loved having conservatives like nbcrusader and 80sU2isBest here, because they actually participated in the debates and treated people with respect. Sadly, we're not getting that with many of the conservatives who've come here in recent times.
Add in the fact that people are entitled to their own opinions, but not their own facts, so when people come here and keep spouting things that are demonstrably untrue, after a while, people get tired of having to put up with that. Knowingly spreading ignorant and misinformed views can be very dangerous.
Yes, because the Confederate flag is totally the same thing as waving a rainbow flag or an American flag
.And Headache posted an article describing his racist actions a number of pages back. I also noted his hiring people for his administration that are racist and xenophobic. Why hire them if he doesn't plan to use them to help carry out his views?
Here's the thing, generally, people who hold those kinds of racist and xenophobic views do not stop at just believing that stuff. It always comes through in their actions as well. My grandma, for instance, spouted racist beliefs, and she backed them up by closing the curtains when my dad brought home a black friend from school once, so that none of the neighbors would see.
Nazis and white nationalists tend to have a big history of committing violence. The guy who rammed his car into the crowd in Charlottesville also had a history of domestic violence. They're not content to just spout their views, they want to make them a reality. There's a reason they're often armed with a boatload of guns, after all.
Ah, yes, that old nonsense rumor. That's been proven to be completely false. So try again.
Nope. Try again.
I would need to see Clinton's stance on the issue, 'cause I have no memory of that.
It got locked because the particular poster who started the thread has a history of posting controversial things and up and leaving without continuing the conversation, and engaging other posters in honest debate. Not because of the political views in and of themselves. If that poster actually wanted to try engaging in a proper debate for once, we'd be all for it.
From what I've seen of some of the recent conservatives who've left, they left because they turned into nothing but trolls who responded to debates with stupid memes and saying ridiculous things to intentionally try and rile people up, instead of actually trying to have a mature conversation. One of the recent conservatives who hung around here was outed as a white nationalist after being kicked out for trolling behavior.
I loved having conservatives like nbcrusader and 80sU2isBest here, because they actually participated in the debates and treated people with respect. Sadly, we're not getting that with many of the conservatives who've come here in recent times.
Add in the fact that people are entitled to their own opinions, but not their own facts, so when people come here and keep spouting things that are demonstrably untrue, after a while, people get tired of having to put up with that. Knowingly spreading ignorant and misinformed views can be very dangerous.
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BVS
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No, Clinton did not propose a wall like Trump, this is just another bs tactic to divert the conversation.
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The people marching in Charlottesville want this to happen again. It is the end goal of their ideology. It is why society should join together to crush any one who advocates their ideology. This ideology cannot be allowed to spread. We learned lessons from the Holocaust and we can't let it happen again.
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This is the same Slippery Slope logical fallacy the Right used against gay marriage.
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Don't know about you, but sounds like a pretty clear indication of being a fascist sympathiser but without the 'guts' to outright admit it.
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Yeah - because the Jihad issue is improved so much since I posted that.
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AEON
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And lets say I WAS a fascist sympathizer, so what? At least it would add some needed energy into this dying forum...
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So, are you good with everything else he said? He certainly implied a wall with the "Secure border" rhetoric - and then he expanded the already existing wall (so, no need to start fresh so to speak). This speech is certainly filled with same Trump anti-ILLEGAL-immigration...
In fact, even Huffington Post wrote about it recently:
Source:
The Huffington Post
Bill Clinton Laid Groundwork For Trump’s Ugly Immigration Policies
AEON
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Do you not realize the "other" side says the SAME EXACT THING? That's why I don't participate much there either. Boring.
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Oh for fuck's sake, there's already enough disagreement between the leftists and centrists on this subforum (and it's a healthier discourse anyway) without needing someone to make excuses for literal fascist scum here.
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Aeon, I'm going to address you from the perspective of one who would run, not walk, from a gathering of individuals spitting and kicking a statue of a Confederate general. So I am not a left-wing sympathizer by any means.
Here's my observation: You are twisting yourself into mental knots in order to not see the racism inherent in the Trump phenomenon. Most racism in modern times is more subtle than in times past. People who espouse these words use coded language so as to communicate their message as effectively as possible. Sure, you can assume good motives, but if you look at their communication patterns over a period of time, a marked pattern reveals itself. The common message or theme communicated to the marginalized is "you don't belong; you are not one of us." The totality of the birther movement against Obama could be described as that tactic taken to the level of obsession by Trump and his ilk. It takes a great deal of mental gyration to miss this rather blatant message.
You seem to want to communicate from the standpoint of a dispassionate observer. You value intellectualism and like to view yourself as a rationalist and an empirical thinker. However, your blind spot seems to be that you want to identify yourself as an outsider to this forum as well as a person of conservative values. There's nothing wrong with that except when it forces you to blind yourself to empirical truths that are staring you in the face. You simply cannot take a position of willful ignorance and then proceed to argue it without sacrificing your personal integrity. Steve Bannon plays this game with himself as well. He tries to promote the idea of economic nationalism without recognizing the inherent racism of most of his base. I'm not saying that there aren't issues in which you could take a solid economically nationalist position, but defending a white nationalist rally doesn't fall into this category.
My opinion is that you are intellectually superior to these arguments which you have begun to cling to so tenaciously. I guess I'm just suggesting that you not let your self-perception as a white intellectual blind you to the inherent dangers of a movement which you surely must recognize in your heart to be the embodiment of evil. Or, if you really are a Nazi sympathizer, just come clean with it. Better to honestly admit what you are and what your true position is than to tie yourself in mental knots using arguments and tactics which are, as you know, the epitome of shoddy critical thinking and disingenious discourse.
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You make excuses for ANTIFA - andI don't remember you being too upset about ISIS systematically tossing the gays off buildings to their death. Or the cops murdered by BLM snipers. Or the mentally handicapped white kid tortured and forced to drink from a filthy toilet bowl by "Anti Trump" activists...or the Liberal activist mass shooting that almost killed Majority Whip Steve Scalise (R-La.)....Seth Rich...
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I'm not exactly new here...
Well, I can see you've posted 3000+ times, but what's that got to do with what we were discussing?
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I am not trying to identify myself - it's been well established. That doesn't mean you will like it, I'm just saying that I've been consistent for almost 20 years (my first account was banned for a different reason - misplaced humor in a general forum by a much younger me).
Irvine511
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That is a slanderous thing to say about BLM. That individual was not affiliated with the group and there is no advocacy of violence by BLM. (Everyone was horrified by the shooting of Scalise, and I truly wish we lived in a country where no one was the victim of easily available assault weapons).
But these endless "Whatsboutisms" are tedious.
What we're seeing here, in AEON's posts and in the US in general with Trump, is the rise of white identity.
https://mobile.nytimes.com/2017/08/...l?smid=fb-share&referer=http://m.facebook.com
In essence:
"Trump has mobilized the white identity electorate, and in doing so has put the tenuous American commitment to racial and ethnic egalitarianism on the line. And Trump has been captured by the success of his own demagoguery. He surged ahead of his Republican competitors for the nomination when he threw matches on the kindling and now, under siege, his only strategy for survival is to pour gasoline on the flames."
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the racism rhetoric is too used up and has now lost any shock or meaning. When the same standard for racism is not held against ALL races - it loses meaning. And shouldn't it? Lose meaning? How can only one race be racist without THAT assumption being racist? And it doesn't stop there. In one hand the Left says we are "all one race, the human race" - then at the same time talk about economic inequalities based on race. Same with gender - there is no gender. So, if there is no gender - how can there be gender inequality? How can there be a gender pay gap if there is no gender? It is the hypocrisy that I like to call out....
The Left has set up an unwinnable scenario for all involved. They claim the whites will forever be privileged and the other races will always be suppressed. Why? Because whites built this system based on THEIR history and culture. Yet - it is THAT system that everyone on earth seems to run to when times are tough. You don't see mass numbers of white Americans fleeing to live in Mexico, Syria, Pakistan...etc. So, there is obviously something good about the country built by these so called old dead white men...
However, in order to appease the Left - the very builders (modern white men are guilty by association) of this society are asked to step aside (and even apologize) for building this THING everyone on earth seems is their right to live in. Yet - that very act will destroy the THING and America will be another crap country....
And do you honestly think the next "culture of power" will be so kind and tolerant? I'm thinking they are more like ANTIFA, but "legitimized" by holding office. So yes, the white nationalist have some legitimate concerns. Just be brave enough to admit it. It's not brave to celebrate each other in an echo chamber. Bravery is really laying out the facts and discussing them
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I'm not making 'excuses' for Antifa, I've never pretended that I didn't support them - you see, remarkably, I'm against fascism and don't want to see it take hold on this planet again!
The rest of your post is bizarre, I (all leftists) oppose ISIS in the same way I do fascists - antifascists have proven to be the most effective fighting force against them in the Middle East.
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White people exploited every other system on Earth, that's how they got to be so successful. By killing and raping. This created massive disparities between white civilization and other civilizations and the disparities of the past still exist today.
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And how is that NOT a racist statement?
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So, basically, you're so annoyed by the identity-obsessed Left that you're willing to offer comfort and understanding to Nazis and white supremacists who marched through the streets holding torches and screaming "blood and soil" and viciously anti-Semetic things?
Just how hard is it to be you?
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