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Old 08-12-2017, 10:45 PM   #641
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Both parties seem spineless right now.

I don't know how this gets solved. The GOP, although I know there is internal dissent, is weak. And the Dems, are even weaker. They don't know how to deal with this.

Our only hope is within the investigations, though I have little hope.

Absolute truth has to be presented, and his own party has to turn against him.

If that doesn't happen, we're screwed.

The only other option this country has is a full on revolution. Now I'm not endorsing that, but I would not be surprised if there was a cyber or violent one if things don't change.
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too much 2 multi quote so synopsis.

Moonlit Amen

anitram well said

cori we need a bit of levity!

Dave C thanks as always for your info!
I was 9 for the Cuban Missile Crisis and smart enough to know what the results could be [ living in the #2 target of NYC kinda makes u more aware too!] ! Terrifying!!!!!

But as to "the 80's" close calls what/whom are you referencing? Reagan? Yeltsin?

FOX You really need to listen to NPR Radio and analysis programs! It will lower your anxiety level. A lot of what Dave C has posted has been said there.

Headache Yes. Also in public radio has been the mention of no extra movements amongst the military etc

Namkur Yeah, have been hearing bits about the NC situation all day including the later injury/ murder by car.

Vlad omg! I guess this was happening while I was (still) out. As someone who met Prof West briefly back in the ? early 00's .....

Bomac oh, man. I heard drumph's speech and I did notice no specific mention, and the BS of "hate on both sides" crap.
jeeeeez

PS is bannon throwing a "party" tonight for all his "good ole boys" Southerns and Northerners.
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Suddenly I feel left out.
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Old 08-13-2017, 12:59 AM   #644
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Both parties seem spineless right now.

I don't know how this gets solved. The GOP, although I know there is internal dissent, is weak. And the Dems, are even weaker. They don't know how to deal with this.

Our only hope is within the investigations, though I have little hope.

Absolute truth has to be presented, and his own party has to turn against him.

If that doesn't happen, we're screwed.

The only other option this country has is a full on revolution. Now I'm not endorsing that, but I would not be surprised if there was a cyber or violent one if things don't change.


Agree. Things could worsen and quickly. While I don't think we'll become a fascist country, we could morph into something just as sinister if we allow this sort of hate into the top levels of office
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You'll note that he refrains from any specific reference to white supremacy.
That was missing but I don't remember Trump speaking out after violent clashes like that before...or did he ?

Anyway this might rattle him to be more specific in his comments

MAGA ? More like make America hate again...
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That's another thing that confounds me. If America's as great as those on the right keep claiming it is, or if they're supporting a guy who claims he's going to make this country great...then why the hell are some of them supporting the Confederacy, which was the result of states splitting away from this "great nation"? Kind of a rather glaring contradiction there, no?

Also, that story about the neo-Nazis planning to target the church. Jesus. Thank goodness they were stopped. I hope these assholes all serve a nice amount of jail time for their shitty actions here. They absolutely deserve to be called terrorists.
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I felt so sick reading about Charlottesville yesterday. Essential reading, but fuck.
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Wow. That is some kind of deluded, fucked up thinking right there.

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We are going to take over the country.
Like hell you are, you nutjobs.
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I felt so sick reading about Charlottesville yesterday. Essential reading, but fuck.


The horrible thing is that Charlottesville is awesome -- gorgeous and progressive and home to UVA, perhaps the best public university in the country. I saw U2 there.

Fuck these people.
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Ultimately Lincoln and Johnson didn't go far enough.
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Funny how the right made big deal of liberal not calling out "Islamic extremists " but have no issue with trump not talking about white supremacists
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Trumpy doesn't want to upset his "base" of white supremacists, KKK, and neo-Nazi supporters. He'll issue a statement he's against hate and what-not, but won't actually single out any hate group by name.
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That's another thing that confounds me. If America's as great as those on the right keep claiming it is, or if they're supporting a guy who claims he's going to make this country great...then why the hell are some of them supporting the Confederacy, which was the result of states splitting away from this "great nation"? Kind of a rather glaring contradiction there, no?

Also, that story about the neo-Nazis planning to target the church. Jesus. Thank goodness they were stopped. I hope these assholes all serve a nice amount of jail time for their shitty actions here. They absolutely deserve to be called terrorists.
Absolutely bone-chilling. Talk about ovens and hanging from a tree in the 21st centruy ...also, not sure legally but how did those whackos get into town with organised militia ?

I thought unless you're the military/police/national guard, you don't get to parade around carrying guns ?
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not sure legally but how did those whackos get into town with organised militia ?

I thought unless you're the military/police/national guard, you don't get to parade around carrying guns ?
Some states in the US have open carry laws. That means that people there are allowed to openly (i.e. visibly) carry a weapon. Because, well, guns are good.
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It amazes me how many Twitter profiles I see with bios about "god, [sports team], and guns". How the fuck are guns that much a part of your identity?
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Some states in the US have open carry laws. That means that people there are allowed to openly (i.e. visibly) carry a weapon. Because, well, guns are good.
I thought that only meant individuals carrying guns...not quasi military organising like militia.
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It amazes me how many Twitter profiles I see with bios about "god, [sports team], and guns". How the fuck are guns that much a part of your identity?
this disturbs me too. I live in TN and it's unreal
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