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Old 08-08-2017, 03:51 PM   #521
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And I've been called crazy for saying this is all about to kick off. Well, it is.

I don't think it will. I think NK is taking the piss out of Trump on his vacation. And Trump cannot keep his mouth shut.
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Old 08-08-2017, 03:55 PM   #522
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Kim constantly makes threats that NK will destroy the USA. Or any other apocalyptic statement on how they'll destroy anyone who gets in their way. (and to be fair, so all other dictators).

Bush had his Shock and Awe

Trump now has his fire and fury

With Bush, you got the feeling that he was trying to sound imposing without losing some class of politics.

We don't get that with Trump
No, I get it. I thought that you were saying that Trump said that on twitter, and it's not on twitter. That's why I said 'I don't see it'. He said it on tv.
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yeah, saw you edited.....after i post

and I made the assumption it was on twitter too....not sure which avenue is worse haha.

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I don't think it will. I think NK is taking the piss out of Trump on his vacation. And Trump cannot keep his mouth shut.
in the past, it has been a shakedown for "humanitarian aid".

This feels different, but there is not consensus in even our paranoid (US) intelligence community that this is a thing yet. This is Trump taking partial information and running with it to create a public discussion on something that should not be a public discussion.

That said...we can't really afford to be wrong here. It takes a second to say goodbye, or something like that...
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I'm sure China would be happy with US nukes on NK iradiating their country too.
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in the past, it has been a shakedown for "humanitarian aid".

This feels different, but there is not consensus in even our paranoid (US) intelligence community that this is a thing yet. This is Trump taking partial information and running with it to create a public discussion on something that should not be a public discussion.

That said...we can't really afford to be wrong here. It takes a second to say goodbye, or something like that...
Problem is, Trumps crazy rants ratchets up NKs fear and paranoia. It only accelerates things and could even cause a NK pre emptive attack. It's the very last thing Trump should be doing. One things certain, NK isn't stopping it's nuclear program.
At best any war over NK would be contained on the Korean peninsula (and that would be devastating enough). At worst it spreads beyond.
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The POTUS statement is legitimately terrifying. I feel sick.
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I don't think it will. I think NK is taking the piss out of Trump on his vacation. And Trump cannot keep his mouth shut.
But it's our own intelligence saying this, and they wouldn't just take NK's word on it. And I know, our intelligence was wrong about Iraq. I get it. But this seems more legit to me. Besides, Bush and his people were looking for a war in Iraq. They wanted it. I don't think Trump came in looking for a war with North Korea, he just can't help responding this way when he's being threatened.

In any case...I think that it should be made clear to everyone in the country that going to war with North Korea is probably also going to war with China, and that that is a very scary prospect.

At the moment, I lean towards taking the NK threat seriously, but I don't want war. I feel like the play is a diplomatic one wherein we essentially go to China and say, 'ok, what do you want, in exchange for making NK sit down and shut up?'.

But then I don't know that much about this stuff.
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I know that this is tin foil hat stuff, but what if Trump himself (or someone close to him) is leaking this NK info? Now we have Trump with his "fire and fury" quote. It's a great distraction from the Russia investigation.
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I know that this is tin foil hat stuff, but what if Trump himself (or someone close to him) is leaking this NK info? Now we have Trump with his "fire and fury" quote. It's a great distraction from the Russia investigation.
We can hope. Orchestrated by Putin who has influence over NK.
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Don't worry guys, this is just his plan to replace Obamacare without having to find a replacement.
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Don't worry guys, this is just his plan to replace Obamacare without having to find a replacement.
You mean by starting WW3 so a global nuclear conflict occurs leaving what's left of the American populace to live a post-apocalyptic nuclear winter such that healthcare won't matter anymore?
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I know that this is tin foil hat stuff, but what if Trump himself (or someone close to him) is leaking this NK info? Now we have Trump with his "fire and fury" quote. It's a great distraction from the Russia investigation.


Nah. He just really enjoyed GOT last Sunday. He wants to show the world we have the best dragons.
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You mean by starting WW3 so a global nuclear conflict occurs leaving what's left of the American populace to live a post-apocalyptic nuclear winter such that healthcare won't matter anymore?
Sure.
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I feel there are some really knowledgeable people on this thread. This whole NK thing is scary a hell. What do people think is the best case scenario to deal with NK? What do we want Trumpy and Co to do?

I think the option is either keep trying diplomacy but clearly it has gotten us nowhere. Obama’s foreign policy didn't stop their program and if they have in fact miniaturized their nuclear war heads, nothing was accomplished at all. Doesn't look like China is willing to step in either and with Trump I doubt very much a solution can be found that involves China. Eventually NK will be able to hit the US with nuclear warheads for sure. Will they? Who knows, but another cold war scenario with two nut jobs isn't exactly a 'best case'.

So that leaves war. Whether they can hit the US or not I feel like we're getting to the point of something needs to be done. But there is a chance of nuclear weapons going off either in NK, countries like Japan or potentially the US. An attack would also likely mean Russia and China getting involved. Assuming NK doesn't end up in a nuclear winter, there will be a massive humanitarian crisis on our hands.

I think this is what freaks me out the most, I just don't see any way for this to end that is not awful. People who think nothing is going to come of it, what do you think will happen long-term?
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I am so tired of people equating the two and pretending as if we were screwed either way, as if one isn't dramatically, sickeningly worse than the other.
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NK threatening Guam oh for fuck sake. This is fucked up!
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Eh, that won't work as a threat, since Trump probably doesn't know Guam is a US territory.
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