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Old 08-08-2017, 10:02 AM   #501
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Wow! Yes, incited hysteria. Listen to the next outrageous thing Donald has said on his campaign trail. Take him seriously when he's illegitimate and you legitimize him. He fueled all press being good press because you couldn't look away from his train wreck.

Pfft. Whatever man. Im "normalizing" his success. Open your eyes. He didn't need me to get what he has. He needed your voice to bring him to the table for serious discussion.


How does that work? He announced, the day of the likes of ironhorse, orangeie, bobsagett, and company touted him as the next Jesus, but somehow my pointing out his hypocrisies and lies brought him to the table? In what world?!
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Possible. What was President Trump's inherited position?
His inherited position is not exactly known. His father set up numerous trusts that provided him income, and the cash value of the business when his father passed is not known, and was after Trump was operating on his own.

What he had was the ability to "borrow" against his inheritance to purchase properties, such as the Grand Hyatt project in 78 that established his company. So, what he had, essentially, was an open line of credit with his father, with any interest paid if payment was made re-funding his own inheritance, allowing him to purchase properties in Manhattan. In the 70s and 80s. NYC. The market was bullet-proof and he came to age at the low of NYC. He couldn't screw it up. Unless he overreached, like into casinos in Atlantic City, or with ancillary businesses. He managed to take an open invitation to buy NYC properties in Manhattan in the 80s and run it into the ground on numerous occasions. He had a "can't lose" set up and managed to lose. Think of NYC in the 80s. Look at property values now.

He was playing Monopoly, but the bank was right there for him to grab from when needed. The bank was dad. He just landed on an opportunity (space) and said "yeah...I will put a hotel here". It was that easy for him to enter the toughest real estate market in the nation/maybe the world. The average developer would have wound up in the East River trying to make entry to Manhattan in the 70s and 80s.

His dad's gift was more than whatever cash value and property were bequeathed to him...it was the open door and access to funds in the property market.
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How does that work? He announced, the day of the likes of ironhorse, orangeie, bobsagett, and company touted him as the next Jesus, but somehow my pointing out his hypocrisies and lies brought him to the table? In what world?!


We all know Trump was not some overnight front runner the day he announced his candidacy. Come on...
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We all know Trump was not some overnight front runner the day he announced his candidacy. Come on...


Your memory sucks. I said nothing about being the front runner, BUT his minions were there on day one.
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Your memory sucks.

You're a problem. Piss off.
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You're a problem. Piss off.


There's the ole Lucky we know...
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There's the ole Lucky we know...


You kidding? Look in the mirror man. You're flat out rude and have cranked up the condescending tone to the utter maximum. It's unbearable.
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You kidding? Look in the mirror man. You're flat out rude and have cranked up the condescending tone to the utter maximum. It's unbearable.


You have the shortest fuse of FYM, all I said was your memory sucks. I didn't call you a name, didn't call you a problem, didn't say to piss off, and as for tone you should reread your posts.
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Back on to topic

So...we're gonna go back to war with North Korea aren't we? Kinda feels like the build up to Iraq with the news stories coming out weekly about advances in weapons they are making.

Part of me wonders if other countries are trying their best to troll/ruin Trump's golf vacation? Cause a stir during an off week cause you know it'll irritate the fuck out of him

Assume when the vacation is over, GOP will focus on tax "reform"
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You have the shortest fuse of FYM, all I said was your memory sucks. I didn't call you a name, didn't call you a problem, didn't say to piss off, and as for tone you should reread your posts.


Please cite me having a "short fuse" in relation to anyone who wasn't a brick wall of a Trump supporter in an FYM topic. Things I lose my cool on... the usage of the term "fake news," poor interpretations of statistics and polling...

People who know me in real life would probably suggest the opposite of what you've said. So, I would say to slander my memory as a way of telling me I'm wrong is fairly insulting. You talk to everyone that way, though. It's such a dominating sound in here, your voice.
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So...we're gonna go back to war with North Korea aren't we? Kinda feels like the build up to Iraq with the news stories coming out weekly about advances in weapons they are making.

Part of me wonders if other countries are trying their best to troll/ruin Trump's golf vacation? Cause a stir during an off week cause you know it'll irritate the fuck out of him
Certainly feels that way, yeah. Gotta love how Trump keeps tweeting out classified information, too, especially after railing against Hillary for her e-mails. Can somebody please take his damn Twitter account away from him already? I really don't understand how his handlers are still allowing him to spout off on there. They've taken it away from him for a period of time before, surely they can do it again here, right?

Also, from a few pages back, I echo the thanks to Axver for the backstory on Turnbull and the Australian politics of the refugee/immigrant situation. Yeah, Trump came off god-awful in that phone conversation, but I wasn't all that enamored with Turnbull, either, so it's good to get a better understanding of the issues around crazy discussion.
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if NK has genuinely managed to miniaturize a reliable device into a warhead that can fit on an ICBM (and that they can produce in numbers), they've accomplished an astounding feat of engineering. that would pretty much put them past the "red line" of finally being able to at least attempt to carry out all the heretofore-whackadoo threats lil' kim has been spouting and would start to push my opinion towards taking some sort of definitive action to end this song and dance.

that being said, i am EXTREMELY doubtful that this is true. like i said, it would be a historically impressive accomplishment for NK's scientists. i know this is from an american intelligence source rather than the usual north korean mouthpiece, but given the CIA's track record when it comes to intel regarding foreign weapons of mass destruction i think a healthy dose of skepticism is in order.
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Maybe it's true that they have the capability to put warheads in ICBMs. Maybe it's a bunch of crap.

Either way it's comforting to know we have an efficient, rational administration in place to make sure that things don't spiral out of control.
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Agree. While I'm not on the side (mainly the Trump effect) of calling FAKE NEWS to everything that comes out (or to reports that I don't like), but this feels way too similar to Iraq buildup. Even the MSM were happy to put out any sort of news that made Iraq seem like they were ready to destroy the world.

I would like to think they have learned their lesson from Iraq, but doesn't seem like it. Every week we get another report about NK doing this, doing that...they can bomb Chicago....their subs are acting suspicious...

On the other side though, if they do have this technology then something has to be done. Due diligence is needed, but will we get that out of our leadership?
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Also, considering how much Trump likes to brag about how great the economy's doing (forgetting that much of that is carryover from the Obama administration), would the GOP really want to risk putting us into a war that would likely have a negative impact on our still-stabilizing economy in some form or another? Especially considering the economy is the big thing voters care about, and we've got elections coming next year? I'd like to think they wouldn't be that stupid, but, well...*Gestures to the White House*

Provided cooler heads actually prevailed in this situation, what would be the best case scenario for dealing with North Korea, or at least taking out Kim Jong-Un?
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Maybe it's true that they have the capability to put warheads in ICBMs. Maybe it's a bunch of crap.

Either way it's comforting to know we have an efficient, rational administration in place to make sure that things don't spiral out of control.
And just as you post this, our Best Leader responds on Twitter about fire and fury like the world has never seen.

Does he not see how he and Kim are the same person???? At least when it comes to their public statements?

We got ourselves a nuclear pissing match!
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And I've been called crazy for saying this is all about to kick off. Well, it is.
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Like I said, please, for the love of god, somebody take his Twitter account away from him. Have a handler who can boil his inane ramblings down to something more coherent and not so grandiose.

(Ideally, I'd prefer the GOP just kick him out of office right now altogether, but fat chance of that happening anytime soon.)

It's moments like this that make me so angry at the people who voted for him. They may not have imagined a specific situation like this unfolding, but Christ, how the hell did any of them at any point honestly think he would be even remotely stable when it comes to handling a crisis, be it domestic or foreign? Talk about not thinking long-term.
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And just as you post this, our Best Leader responds on Twitter about fire and fury like the world has never seen.

Does he not see how he and Kim are the same person???? At least when it comes to their public statements?

We got ourselves a nuclear pissing match!
EDIT: Nvm, misunderstood.
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I don't see it...
Kim constantly makes threats that NK will destroy the USA. Or any other apocalyptic statement on how they'll destroy anyone who gets in their way. (and to be fair, so all other dictators).

Bush had his Shock and Awe

Trump now has his fire and fury

With Bush, you got the feeling that he was trying to sound imposing without losing some class of politics.

We don't get that with Trump
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