BVS
Blue Crack Supplier
Agreed
Those of us that are so against Trump, that want him out of office badly aren't doing so out of some hope that Clinton will magically be placed.
Ok but why not contribute? I don't want an echo chamber either and would be very interested to hear your take on some of these topics that people have asked for responses on.212, sincerely appreciate your comments above and the thoughts you bring to the table [emoji481] Truth is I've participated very, very little in the election/Administration threads since about the middle of last summer.
I still read here regularly because it's habit, still entertains, and I do learn something about a particular segment of U.S. voters. Feel like it's important to do that. Also like hearing takes from posters outside the U.S. But as far as free and healthy conversation goes, the forum hasn't been a place for that lately. Compared to when I started hanging around Interference anyway.
I think there is a rather large contingent of voters who vote almost entirely on the issue of abortion. Aka, as long as Democrats are pro-choice, they will vote Republican, no matter how awful the candidate. My parents, and several older relatives, have admitted as much.
So they voted for a thrice-married charlatan who conveniently despite a storied, self-admitted history of philandering and womanizing has no children out of wedlock?
That's some willful blindness right there.
His list of SCOTUS nominees likely made a difference for many.
It doesn't matter how he lives his life. It matters how much he is willing to use government to control the lives and bodies of others
Deep? Care to elaborate?
There are also quite a few suburban mega churches in Houston, Dallas, Atlanta, etc., with educated and affluent congregations who are just as rigid about abortion. It's a very easy issue to feel sanctimonious about, and it's such an easy way to cut through the chatter and decide who's good and who's bad.
Oh, absolutely. But abortion trumps (pardon the term) all of that, because at least the Republican Party pays lip service to that and tries to actively oppress women who might be considering it. Because innocent life. Never mind the fact that, in my parents case anyway, their position is based on their Catholic faith, despite the fact that Republican policies directly conflict with the Catholic church's position on sanctity of life when it comes to capital punishment, care for the poor, care for our environment... etc.
It's easier to turn a blind eye to that by saying that, well, all those people aren't as innocent as the unborn, so... sucks to be them.
Can you imagine the reaction in the US if the mayor of London/PM of the UK/etc had picked a Twitter fight with the mayor of Boston after the marathon bombing?
Jesus Fucking Christ, I am just so ashamed to be an American right now.
The future is socialism and destroying the corrupt, greedy, and evil corporations.
I did not see your other post, I was about 15 pages behind and didn't see everything, but it's more the sentiment I disagree with. I'm very wary of Democrats demonizing the left as being too strict in vetting their candidates, and in being dismissive of criticisms of capitalism. My worst fears about the reactions to Trump's victory have come true, in that the establishment Democrts and their supporters have learned absolutely nothing from the last year.
Every decent human being should be ashamed that a grown man is choosing to pick fights over social media, but the PUSA? That is far beyond ashamed.
What should they have learned? You're not still suggesting they should be pushing single payer when they have no power, or yelling capitalism kills?
https://youtu.be/5fXkzQFHiTw
Know I've posted a few Sam Harris podcast, but feel this is relevant to this discussion.
He speaks with David Frum, who's a conservative but couldn't stomach to vote for Trump despite having the same concerns about Clinton as we've heard over and over and over.
Sam and David discuss the different views of what trump supporters are thinking or could be thinking to justify.
Sam went out on twitter and retrieved questions from Trumpsters and they debate the merit
A grown man? How about a man-child? There's something psychologically wrong with him, aside from his narcissism.
And Trump supporters say he's their "man", the epitome of the masculine American. That speaks volumes about them.
I don't buy this at all. What do you mean they gave up?The Democrats/Left blew it after 2008. They were too proud of themselves for electing a black man into the White House that they basically gave up on every other election at that point.
Where the GOP built up their grassroots with the Tea Party and started taking over local, state, and eventually federal level. They gerrymandered the fuck out of this country, and so while the population definitely seems to appear a little more socially liberal, we can't put those type of people into office.
The GOP wins, even as they're dying out.
College doesn't need to be free. It needs to change. Not everyone needs to go to college after high school. Some can go right to work, apprenticeships, trade schools, etc.
The idea that if the Democrats moved left enough they'd suddenly start winning is pretty delusional given the demographics of America, the electoral college and general cultural and social attitudes.
I also consider myself to be liberal but universal income is a terrible idea in my view.