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Old 06-01-2017, 10:20 PM   #561
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On a more entertaining note, check out this awesome response from the mayor of Austin to a truly appalling letter complaining about the "women only" screening of the 'Wonder Woman' film at one of the city's theaters:

https://www.yahoo.com/news/mayor-aus...200051088.html

Does Adler want to try his hand at running for the Democratic Party in 2020, by any chance? 'Cause judging from this response, I'd be totally okay with that.

(That letter Adler responded to, though. So much WTF I don't even know where to begin .)
Loved the letter; made me proud to be an Austinite-in-exile (who still spends ~50% of each week in Austin).

That said, it's probably worth remembering that a lot of sexism is a lot subtler and less bombastic than what the letter highlights.
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Very true, and the same can be said for racist and xenophobic views as well. I do think recent events have made some people with those views feel much more emboldened to be more open and overt in expressing them again, though.
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Old 06-01-2017, 10:43 PM   #563
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Bizarre that all the vitrial and hostility thrown at me in here is coming from people that need votes from people like me to win and have benefited from people like me in 4 of the last 5 elections.
just stop. seriously. the trolling is beyond tiresome, and don't forget it does say in the rules that it's not allowed.
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Very true, and the same can be said for racist and xenophobic views as well. I do think recent events have made some people with those views feel much more emboldened to be more open and overt in expressing them again, though.


Agreed, unfortunately.
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I fear for the extinction though of more species of plants, and animals.
Trump juniors appear to be taking care of that all by themselves
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re. the Paris Agreement, well it's looking like the whole world is basically united against Trump, plus 76 mayors in the US have already pledged to uphold the agreement within their jurisdictions...

this will only make our resolve stronger - after Trump's disastrous trip to Europe, refusing to endorse Article 5 to come to mutual aid, re. Nato, lecturing other world leaders on fake/alternative facts re. Nato, basically being obnoxious and physically aggressive to other world leaders, well, it's just basically made him even more reviled here, and united everyone against him - he is a typical bully - did he expect everyone to respond by going "oh nooo yes we are all wrong and you are sooo soooo superior, we bow to your greatness?" like a typical narcissist would? (i was brought up by one, so this behaviour and general approach to life is sadly way too familiar to me - my father was/is my benchmark of how NOT to be LOL, and the similarities in terms of behaviour/character traits are horribly eerie), no - the rest of the world, we basically say fuck you you orange clown
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French President Macron ended his speech today with "Make our planet great again."

#leadership
Gee, we're really setting a low bar these days.
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Gee, we're really setting a low bar these days.
Macron is trolling Trump - it's pretty funny in a sick kind of way

although it's disheartening to have to sink to Trump's level just so he can understand

i reckon world leaders need to figure out pretty sharpish that you can NEVER win an argument with a sociopathic narcissist, they don't know how to reason, so there's not actually any point in going there - the only solution is distance and alienation - he will just need to be ostracised if that's possible
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Science is clearly overrated
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Science and scientific vitriol are alienating those voters that we REALLY NEED to come onboard.
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Hey guys, this election should have show us college educated, science based/loving elitist liberals that feelings are what really matter.

If we weren't so smug in demanding evidence at every claim, every discussion maybe we would have won.

I hope we have learned our lesson
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the two parties, they are not the same, nor have they stayed the same.

this article affirms my suspicions, and what i think the HRC electoral strategy actually was, and why she went with Kaine rather than more populist alternatives. we can second guess how good this actually was as a strategy, but it may have been 4 years too early.

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Open almost any major newspaper in almost any week, and you’ll find a story set in a working-class community, opening with a vignette from a local diner or a failing factory. These stories wax nostalgic about Obama-Trump voters: those Americans who backed President Barack Obama in 2012 but supported Donald Trump in 2016. In the analysis, they are almost invariably oversimplified as white, working class and lacking a college education. And this same conversation also dominates discussion among top Democratic Party operatives, pollsters and some elected officials.

This focus isn’t exactly wrong: Yes, Democrats lost those voters in 2016, bigly. It’s one of the many reasons Hillary Clinton lost the White House (disclosure: I worked on her campaign). And yes, the future of the Democratic Party does depend, at least in part, on figuring out how to win some of them back. But the tunnel-vision focus on these Obama-Trump voters as the only path forward for the Democratic Party ignores a major opportunity. In the six months since the election, we’ve obsessed about Obama-Trump voters but completely ignored their inverse: the Romney-Clinton voters.

Who are they? Romney-Clinton voters are, generally speaking, college-educated suburban professionals: lawyers, doctors and businesspeople. They voted for Mitt Romney in 2012, but switched to Hillary Clinton in 2016. They abhor xenophobia, the alt-right and racists, but they also mostly socialize within their own race and they’re mostly white. They’re socially liberal but not obsessed with a political agenda. They value fiscal responsibility but also believe in investing in the future, especially education. They remain deeply worried about Trump’s qualifications, scared about his temperament and alienated by his misogyny and ties to extremists. For the first time in a long time, they’re willing to hear about and vote for Democrats.

For journalists and political operatives, these people are harder to romanticize. They lack the stirring, deeply ingrained Americana imagery of the Appalachian coal miner or the Rust Belt autoworker—a news story set against the backdrop of a paralegal’s research library or a suburban office park simply doesn’t feel as compelling.

But if you want to see the future of the Democratic Party—and if you want to understand how Democrats can win back a congressional majority—then it’s important that you pay attention to a group of voters who might cut a less evocative image than their Obama-Trump counterparts, but whose support of Democrats could cause the GOP to collapse.

Democrats’ Secret Weapon: Romney Voters - POLITICO Magazine


they sound like U2 fans
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No, Irvine.

The future is socialism and destroying the corrupt, greedy, and evil corporations.
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Why can't we have a mix of good ideas? If I was running, here would be my proposals. Feel free to shoot them down.

A mix of social and capitalistic qualities for governing.

Tax Corporations more than they are now (how about 60%)
Heavily Regulate Industries, Finance, Climate, Infrastructure
Heavily Invest in Technology, Clean Energy, AI, Smart Guns, etc
Drop Military Budget, Focus more on Technology, VA Care, and Foreign Aid
Simpler Tax Codes, with higher % paid by higher income (Say 500k for family, 250k for single...where the rates start to rise. They're higher for those who make millions)
Single Payer Healthcare -- Medicare for All
Decriminalize Weed
Soften sentencing for Drug Crimes
Invest in Rehabilitation versus Prison time
Free Community College
Lower Tuition for Universities
Incentives for Trade Programs
Universal Standard Income

Corporations, individuals can make as much fucking money as they want. Knowing they will be taxed, and if they don't like it, figure out ways to make more!!! We as a society need to start looking at society as a whole, versus the individual.

I don't want kids. I will never have kids. Yes, a part of me grimaces knowing that some of my tax dollars go towards a school that I will never have a use for as an adult. BUT, I went to public school, so odds are others like me helped pay for my way through. I am more upset that a huge portion of my tax dollars go towards military.

Providing people with the means to a decent education, exposure to technology, and less stress on families if health issues come up seems to me like it would make a happier society. Less anger. Less likely to go shoot up people because of a job loss, or just snapping.

There will always be groups of people who fall through the cracks. That abuse the system, or the system may not work perfectly for. All we can do is our best to try and help the most people, and when loopholes show themselves, we adjust.

But we won't.

Cause fucking coal jobs are more important than the fate of societies across the globe.
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Part of Trump's appeal was his fu to the left, it wasn't his ideas. He had none. But in their attempt to raise their middle finger to the majority of the country they end up poking their own eyes. They don't have any ideas either, they can't think past their own nose or any further than tomorrow.
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Really, this should be viewed as a political decision and taken in tandem with Trump mocking Germany and read as an indication that Steve Bannon and the white nationalists are back in control.

Someone has been leaking about Jared.
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A mix of social and capitalistic qualities for governing.
Also commonly known as social democracy.
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We are close tho, and we were moving at direction under Obama. Slowly.

Yes our politicians were more persuaded by lobbyists, but small changes were happening .

With Trump and GOP In charge, we're stuck in neutral at best
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We are close tho, and we were moving at direction under Obama. Slowly.

Yes our politicians were more persuaded by lobbyists, but small changes were happening .

With Trump and GOP In charge, we're stuck in neutral at best

No, I think we're in reverse right now, desperately trying to get back to their fake memories of the 50s.
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This election was determined by swing voters, as most elections are,
I know you voted for her in November as most in here that voted did.

I have no idea who I will vote for in 2020, ill have to wait and how things are in 2020, and the candidates.

I think most voters in here only vote one side always.
I happen to be a real swing voter. In the last 5 Presidental elections I have voted Dem 4 times and GOP 1.
Bizarre that all the vitrial and hostility thrown at me in here is coming from people that need votes from people like me to win and have benefited from people like me in 4 of the last 5 elections.
Please do not interrupt the Tribal Council with this kind of talk
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