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Old 03-20-2003, 05:39 PM   #1
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US Offers Israel $10 Billion in Economic Aid

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The US has offered $10bn (6.4bn) to Israel, to bail it out of the worst economic crisis in its history.
Israel's Finance Ministry said the package consisted of $1bn (640,000m) in direct military aid and $9bn in loan guarantees.

The 30-month-long Palestinian uprising against Israeli occupation and the global economic slowdown have plunged the country into its third year of recession.

Israel - the biggest recipient of US aid worldwide - initially asked for $4bn (2.5bn) in military aid and $8bn in loan guarantees.

The US will deduct from the loan guarantees any Israeli expenditure on settlement activities in Palestinian areas.

The package, which is part of President George W Bush's war budget, still needs approval by the US Congress.

Economic troubles

US National Security Adviser Condoleezza Rice pledged the aid to Israeli Finance Minister Benjamin Netanyahu on Wednesday.

"Rice told Netanyahu that the (Bush) administration decided to raise the amount of the guarantees by $1bn over what had been planned because the Americans were impressed by the economic plan that has been presented to the government," Israel's finance ministry said in a statement.

Israel's economy contracted by 1% in 2002 after a 0.9% fall in 2001 and the budget deficit is running at 6%, twice the forecast for 2003.

Mr Netanyahu on Monday announced government spending cuts and reductions in the public sector wage to rein in the budget deficit.

Israel already receives $3bn a year from the US, mostly as military aid.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I was under the impression the US economy was nothing to write home about. Not to mention, if Israel needs economic aid, then why are they asking for $4 billion for the military? And it's OK that Africa gets $2 billion next year for AIDS, but Israel needs $10 billion? For what? A country of maybe 6 million vs. a continent of how many hundreds of millions? This is just absurd.
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And we were going to give Turkey 30 billion!

Man, what's with all this giving?

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Ari Fleisher was asked that at a news conference today.

He actually said because they did not vote to allow troops in that the aid was withdrawn.
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Ari Fleisher was asked that at a news conference today.

He actually said because they did not vote to allow troops in that the aid was withdrawn.
You're referring to Turkey's aid plan, right?

Israel still gets its $10 billion.
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This administration is seriously warped. Their priorities are

Yes lets give them money for running over a peace activist.
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And we were going to give Turkey 30 billion!

Man, what's with all this giving?

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Israel actually gets 5 billion annually, however this year there getting more. Likely to for Israel to buy more U.S. F16's, Tanks, and Helicopters to bomb the helpless Palestinians and continue to illegally build Israeli settlements on Palestinian territory.
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The President's budget proposal for FY2004 includes about $2.7 billion (I think) in aid to Israel.
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Israel actually gets 5 billion annually, however this year there getting more. Likely to for Israel to buy more U.S. F16's, Tanks, and Helicopters to bomb the helpless Palestinians and continue to illegally build Israeli settlements on Palestinian territory.

Wow - now that was an absolutely remarkable, well remark.

What did you do dig through an old post to find thaat anti-semetic remark, or did you come up with it all by yourself?

Oh, and two words:






































suicide bomber
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hi quizy,

although many people may disagree with Israeli-American politics and humanitarian injustice towards Palestinians, that does not make them anti-semites. I commented on Israeli Governments Palestinian policy, not the Jewish people. My best friend is actually Jewish.

With respect to the suicide bombers, I'm not sure what you were trying to say... I do find suicide bombing a terrible act, but how many Israelis have had to endure the bulldozing of their homes, their stores, or being strip searched and subjected to rocket attacks?

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from re-reading your post, i don't see where you were actually commenting on israeli-palestinian policy. i do see where you were making a rather inappropriate comment, which was nothing more than your opinion, on the situation. i can also see how it could be construed as an anti-semetic remark...
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Thanks Flower - I owe you two now.

Anyway Michael, seeing from your post count (6 was it) - it makes me think you are someone else who has posted here using a new user name.

Maybe I am wrong - the tone of your 'opinion post' however made you sound just like someone else.

It was the bombing helpless Palestinian comment that I take offense to. When I said suicide bomber, I was merely referring to them.

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Hi OUIZY,

I'm kinda a new/old member... I haven't really posted in three years or so... And when I did post, I went by the name wal... Nevertheless, having read some of the recent posts on war and politics, most by very intelligent people, I thought I'd indulge a little bit in my spare time. Maybe I can learn a thing or two from u and the interferencers, and vice versa.

Finally, Flower, thanks for your reply but I disagree with your belief that my comments sounded anti-semitic. The classical defintion of "anti-semite" , is one who has hostility towards the Jewish people. I can tell you that I do not. I do however have hostility towards Israeli government, and their illegal, repressive, and aggressive 36 year occupation of Palestinian territory - a territory that continues to shrink with the daily construction of new Israeli settlements.

I'm open to hearing anybodies opinion... And being fair in any debate. But I'd rather not participate in any discussion or web-site that labels me as an anti-semite for disagreeing with Israeli policy. I don't think that's cool
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well i certainly hope you don't leave the forum because of this thread. i was simply stating my opinion, as you apparently were. i still stand by my initial post because i, too, was offended by the same part of your first post that ouizy was. i thought it was one-sided and unfair. although i'm glad to read your clarification.

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Hi OUIZY,



Finally, Flower, thanks for your reply but I disagree with your belief that my comments sounded anti-semitic. The classical defintion of "anti-semite" , is one who has hostility towards the Jewish people. I can tell you that I do not. I do however have hostility towards Israeli government, and their illegal, repressive, and aggressive 36 year occupation of Palestinian territory - a territory that continues to shrink with the daily construction of new Israeli settlements.


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Later...

No one asked the arab world to fight a war with israel in 67.....If you fight a war..and you lose...you have the possiblity of losing something. if you think that the Israelis should give back the occupied territories due to the Un resolution that's fine...but in the grand scheme of things I feel they are under No obligation to do so.



People think the palestinins are the only race to be screwed in modern times...welll that idea is ignorant, wrong and perhaps..even idiotic



Indian Hindus were forced to leave pakistan when it was created. This was an exodus the likes of which the world has yet to be seen...far bigger than the palestinian population...you dont' see indians going around killing pakistani kids do you?


And if that weren't enough..in kashmir another exodus of hindus was forced to take place due to ethnic cleansing....and....3 million hindus were killed in a matter of days in 1971 when bangladesh was created...



10 million rfugess live outside delhi today for what's been done....it makes the israeli palestinian situation look inconsequential..and dwarfs it it stature.

YEt...we never hear about this...and the arab world seems to love to claim that palestinians got screwed...well they aren't the only race to get screwed...so take a number.what does the arab world do to help palestine???? nothing they don't lift a finger...The United states, Israel and jordan allow palestinians to settle there...but no other countries in the mid east.....jordan is a US ally. So what....the arab world...is using palestine as a pawn for their own interests..none of them care about the well being of the palestinians.


The Us gives 15(need to double check this number but I know i's more than israel) billion in aid to egypt every year....maybe ppl forgot to mention that stat?

The islamic world could learn a lot from india.....too bad they invaded india and sold hindus into slavery perhaps constituting the most peaceful interaction between hindus and muslims. ...but this is another thread.



the arab world..has no legitimate grievances in my eyes.




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http://www.haaretzdaily.com/hasen/spages/275530.html

I just don't understand why we don't support the palestinians more?

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Meanwhile, a pro-Iraqi faction in the West Bank and Gaza Strip said it has been asked by the Iraqi government to speed up delivery of checks of US$10,000 each to the families of Palestinian civilians, gunmen and suicide bombers killed in fighting with Israel.

A spokesman for the group, Mohanna Shabat, said Saddam gave the order to show that while he's under threat from American and British forces he's still supporting the Palestinians and influential in the Arab world.

Throughout 30 months of fighting, the pro-Iraqi Arab Liberation Front had been making payments once every two weeks. But in the last week, Saddam's money has been distributed in five ceremonies in Gaza alone.

Three families received the money Friday in Gaza.

"The ceremony, God willing, will not be the last because President Saddam
Hussein will continue his support to the Palestinian people, who are part of his Arab nation," Shabat said.
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Hi,

I don't know where you got the number 15 billion but U.S. foreign aid to Egypt, is pegged at two-thirds of U.S. foreign aid to Israel, and averages $2.2 billion per year. As mentioned Israel aid will increase soon to 10 billion. My concern is that Egypt is a third world country, with escalating poverty and needs foreign aid... We can go into the reasons why Egypt is getting aid, but I won't.

On the other hand, Israel is one of the most prosperous nations in the world, and their aid is ballooning to 10 billion. I've already mentioned what I think the aid is for in a previous post.

I'll talk about the illegal occupation of Palestine in a future post, maybe later today or tommorrow, but for now, I gotta split.

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The Us gives 15(need to double check this number but I know i's more than israel) billion in aid to egypt every year....maybe ppl forgot to mention that stat?

Israel is the largest recipient of US foreign aid.
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ok I mis read my state 15 billion was an amount given over time



but..the aid given to israel according to this is 2.8 billion and to egypt it's 2.2 billion...it's comparable in amount.



Now.....my question is..why should we give more aid to egypt


I can name 100 countries more deserving of more aid than egypt..a country that is just waiting for islamic johad to take it over.


my argument is still solid....by far.



"When asked about the amount of aid the US sends to Israel, a majority says the amount is too much. Even after September 11, in response to an October 2001 Newsweek poll (that mentioned the amount of aid to Israel--$2.8 billion), 52% said that the amount the US sends to Israel is "too much" (right amount 35%, too little 3%). This lower level of support may be due in part to the fact that the amount of aid was mentioned -- in a 1995 PIPA poll that also mentioned the amount of aid to Israel and Egypt, 56% wanted to spend less. [4] Also, the Newsweek poll asked whether the US is spending too much, not whether the US should reduce the level, which may explain why it seems to contradict the modest support found in other recent questions. Some Americans may feel unhappy about the level of spending but nonetheless feel that the US should not take the strong step of cutting it. Other polls have also shown that respondents are quicker to say that the US spends too much on an item than they are to say they favor the actual step of cutting it.

Aid to Egypt

The few questions that have asked about aid to Egypt have found levels of support that are just a bit lower than support for Israel. In a November 1998 Gallup poll 47% were supportive of the current US level of economic aid (kept same 42%, increased 5%). In the same poll support for aid levels to Israel was 52% (kept same 42%, increased 10%). In a 1994 survey 39% favored the same or more aid to Egypt, while 44% preferred to cut or stop it. In the same poll, support for the same or more aid to Israel was 47%, while 44% wanted to cut or stop it. [5]

More recently, in an October 2001 Newsweek poll that told respondents how much the US gives in aid to Egypt ($2.2 billion), 55% said this amount was too much, while 30% said that it was the right amount and 3% said it was too little. This was only slightly higher than the percentage saying the US gives too much to Israel (52%). [6]"
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I cant say I see how being for Palestinian freedom is being anti-semetic. People insist on seeing things in black and white these days. Anti-War = Pro-Saddam = Anti-American

Anyone with any sense knows that suicide bombings are an abomination. As are Israeli incursions into the West Bank. There's a simple solution to all of this.

Why exactly are Israel getting US aid anyway? Its not like they are a 3rd World country. Shouldnt aid money be going to feeding people who havent enough to eat?
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