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Old 11-29-2007, 11:35 AM   #981
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Ok, so how does that contradict what I said? Only one will get the nom, and Giuliani has way too many skeletons in his closet. And Mitt, well I think he doesn't have a chance in hell; wrong religion, has flip flopped too much, and may even prove to be too bigoted even for the Republican party.
Giuliani really does have skeletons in his closet. I just saw an article about him charging travel expenses to the City of New York. That will catch up with him.
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I really don't know how any American can seriously consider voting for any of these clowns who still think it's acceptable to discriminate against gay soldiers. I just don't get it.
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I really don't know how any American can seriously consider voting for any of these clowns who still think it's acceptable to discriminate against gay soldiers. I just don't get it.
it takes one to vote for one?
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I don't mind religious candidates. Hell, Jimmy Carter is a born-again Christian, and I think he's great. It's when they force their views on the general public that I object to religion. This is what I think Bush and Co. are doing what with this ban on gay marriage and not letting foreign aid go for birth control stuff. They don't realize that overpopulation is a major problem.
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it takes one to vote for one?
I know, but the American ideal is about equality and freedom. That's what we fight for and try to uphold, and to allow another American to be subjected to discrimination is wrong.

I don't know how they can justify it to themselves, especially given that the same excuses were used for discrimination in the past, and we're still trying to deal with the consequences of that.
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I really don't know how any American can seriously consider voting for any of these clowns who still think it's acceptable to discriminate against gay soldiers. I just don't get it.
Me either. I'm glad that Romney is different.
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Aye, they all gave me the creeps last night. What era do they think they're living in?
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I know, but the American ideal is about equality and freedom. That's what we fight for and try to uphold, and to allow another American to be subjected to discrimination is wrong.

I don't know how they can justify it to themselves, especially given that the same excuses were used for discrimination in the past, and we're still trying to deal with the consequences of that.
agreed. i think it is BS that they'll let them risk their lives in harms way while serving their country, yet when they come back home they're treated like shit, discriminated, and denied rights.

sounds familiar
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Old 11-29-2007, 11:58 AM   #989
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I don't know how they can justify it to themselves,
I ask this question almost everyday... Still haven't found the answer, it's especially frustrating when it comes out of someone's mouth who claims to be a "person of God". Unfortunately we see it all the time, even in here.
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Well rather than be disgusted at their responses, now they have made it an issue that the General is involved with Hillary's campaign. Romney's response about waterboarding was pathetic too, especially when accompanied by the smirk. If he thought changing his position regarding gays in the military would get him elected he'd probably do it. "Times have changed"-what does that mean? Has he already changed his mind? Looks like he's more in favor of don't ask don't tell.

Gay question' general linked to Clinton
By: Kenneth P. Vogel politico.com
November 29, 2007 12:54 PM EST

The retired general who asked about gays and lesbians serving in the military at the CNN/YouTube Republican debate on Wednesday is a co-chairman of Hillary Rodham Clinton's National Military Veterans group.

Retired Brig. Gen. Keith H. Kerr was named a co-chairman of the group this month, according to a campaign press release.

He was also active in John F. Kerry's 2004 campaign for president.

Kerr asked candidates “why you think that American men and women in uniform are not professional enough to serve with gays and lesbians.”

After the debate, former Education Secretary Bill Bennett said on a CNN panel that he was being told Kerr was involved with the Democratic presidential campaign of Clinton, a New York senator.

CNN anchor Anderson Cooper, who moderated the debate and the panel, said that if that was the case, CNN should have identified Kerr as such.


David Bohrman, a CNN senior vice president and executive producer of the debate, later said: "We regret this and apologize to the Republican candidates. We never would have used the general's question had we known that he was connected to any presidential candidate."

Kerr told CNN that he had not done work for the Clinton campaign, and CNN verified before the debate that he had not contributed money to any candidate, the broadcaster said in a blog post after the debate.

Kerr told CNN he is a member of the Log Cabin Republicans and was representing no one other than himself, CNN said.

On Thursday, Clinton campaign spokesman Phil Singer said the retired general "is not a campaign employee and was not acting on behalf of the campaign."

A Nov. 11 press release retrieved from the website of the nonpartisan magazine Campaigns & Elections lists Kerr as one of nearly 50 co-chairs of “Veterans and Military Retirees for Hillary."

Clinton’s campaign did not respond to an e-mail asking about Kerr’s role in her campaign or whether he was acting on behalf of the campaign.

Kerr also was on Kerry’s National Veterans Steering Committee, according to a campaign press release retrieved from the website of George Washington University.

And Kerr appears to be an active opponent of the U.S. military’s current stance on gays and lesbians serving in the military, known as the "don’t ask, don’t tell" policy.

He appeared on the now-defunct CNN partner network CNNfn in December 2003 to discuss the 10th anniversary of the policy. According to a transcript, he called it “a tremendous waste of personnel, a tremendous waste of financial resources for the United States.”

Rep. Duncan Hunter (R-Calif.), the ranking member of the House Armed Services Committee, got first crack at Kerr’s question. He said he thought having openly gay men and lesbian women in the military “would be bad for unit cohesion.”

Former Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee, answering next, basically agreed.

Cooper then singled out former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney, who in 1994 said he looked forward to the day gays and lesbians could serve openly in the military.

Romney said times have changed. Though he said he laughed when he first heard talk of the don’t ask, don’t tell policy, and didn’t think it would work, he said: “You know what? It’s been there now for 15 years, and it seems to have worked.”

Cooper then turned to Kerr and asked whether he felt he got an answer to his question.

Kerr responded: “With all due respect, I did not get an answer from the candidates. American men and women in the military are professional enough to serve with gays and lesbians. ... Today, don’t ask, don’t tell is destructive to our military policy.”

Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.), a decorated Vietnam veteran, got the last word on the subject.

He said, “almost unanimously, they [high-ranking military officials] tell me that this present policy is working, that we have the best military in history, we have the bravest, most professional, best-prepared, and that this policy ought to be continued because it’s working.”
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His link to the campaign doesn't make his question any less important, although his link will allow the candidates and their supporters to ignore the question, rather than face up to their support of discrimination.
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I don't understand the issue

Who cares? He raised a valid question, and we got the bigoted truth, end of story.
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The whole debate was rigged:

http://michellemalkin.com/2007/11/29...rds-supporter/
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So was every questioner supposed to be a Republican?
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The whole debate was rigged:

http://michellemalkin.com/2007/11/29...rds-supporter/
Michelle is an idiot.

Being a "declared supporter" doesn't mean it's rigged.

So if you asked Obama a question, it would be rigged?

Come on, I thought we were brighter than this...
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So was every questioner supposed to be a Republican?
I believe many states allow any registered voter to choose which primary (party) to vote in.

so, GOPers can and do vote Democratic Primaries.

and

Dems will vote in some GOP primaries.


But, back to these questions

would it make any difference if the question was asked by a different person?


If at the Dem youtube CNN debate would it have mattered if a Dem or a Repubican asked Hillary why she voted to give Bush the right to launch the Iraq war?

Would it have been a gotcha? If it was asked by someone that supports Rudy?
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i don't understand why it's important who asks these questions.

if you were a democrat, why wouldn't you want to ask the republicans a question or two?

the more i think bout it, the more i get pissed off. yes, let's make the issue about the general, and not about THE GODDAMN ISSUE.
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Last nights grades:

http://www.time.com/time/specials/20...688906,00.html
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Last nights grades:

http://www.time.com/time/specials/20...688906,00.html
I agree with most of that. I do think McCain performed the best, with Huckabee close behind. I think it's tough to grade Tancredo and Hunter due to the rare chances they get to speak. I feel kind of bad for them.
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Congratulations on proving to a national audience that you're a bunch of bigots, Republican candidates.
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