US 2008 Presidential Campaign Thread - Part 2

[MrsSpringsteen]

http://therealrudy.org/blog/14411-ru...source=rgemail

We can imagine how busy Rudy is. Running for president while distorting your record on 9/11, takes a lot of time and energy. So I can't say we were surprised to learn that Rudy (plus Romney, Thompson and McCain) was too busy to attend Thursday night's debate on minority issues hosted by Tavis Smiley.

But where was Rudy going? John Ehrenfeld, a BNF field producer, volunteered to track him down. Turned out he would be right here in Southern California accepting an endorsement from widely discredited Pete Wilson, who's known for exploiting racial division for votes, and pushing the horrible proposition 187. Then off to a $2300-a-plate fundraiser at the Biltmore Four Seasons in Santa Barbara with Bo Derek.


WASHINGTON (AP) - Sen. John McCain said in an interview published Saturday that he would prefer a Christian president over someone of a different faith, calling it "an important part of our qualifications to lead."

In an interview with Beliefnet, a multi-denominational Web site that covers religion and spirituality, the Republican presidential hopeful was asked if a Muslim candidate could be a good president.

"I just have to say in all candor that since this nation was founded primarily on Christian principles ... personally, I prefer someone who I know who has a solid grounding in my faith," McCain said. "But that doesn't mean that I'm sure that someone who is Muslim would not make a good president."

Later, McCain said, "I would vote for a Muslim if he or she was the candidate best able to lead the country and defend our political values."

Asked about Republican rivals Mitt Romney's Mormon faith, McCain said, "I think that Governor Romney's religion should not, absolutely not, be a disqualifying factor when people consider his candidacy for president of the United States."

The Arizona senator was also asked about the confusion over which Christian denomination he belongs to. "I was raised Episcopalian, I have attended the North Phoenix Baptist Church for many years and I am a Christian," McCain said. He added that he has considered being baptized in the Baptist church, but he does not want to do it during the presidential race because "it might appear as if I was doing something that I otherwise wouldn't do."

[martha]

Originally posted by MrsSpringsteen
http://therealrudy.org/blog/14411-ru...source=rgemail

... accepting an endorsement from widely discredited Pete Wilson,

I'm hoping this will be the kiss of death it deserves to be.

[AEON]

Originally posted by Irvine511




he is INCOMPETENT. he CAN'T GOVERN.

And as bad as you think he is - he is TWICE as popular as the Democrat controlled House and Senate.

[Irvine511]

Originally posted by AEON


And as bad as you think he is - he is TWICE as popular as the Democrat controlled House and Senate.

1. the disapproval of the Congress is due to their inability to stop this debacle in Iraq
2. Congress always, always has low approval ratings
3. disapproval of "Congress" has nothing to do with disapproving of Democrats who rank much, much higher than Republicans on nearly all issues, from health care to education to the war on terror to Iraq.
4. you're changing the conversation again. stick with the issue: Bush sucks and Iraq was a mistake.

[diamond]

Bush
doe
not
suck,
some
suggest
Kenny
does,
however
I
think
not.

[Irvine511]

i know what Kenny Chesney sucks ...

[diamond]

I think he's just misunderstood as GW is.

dbs

[MrsSpringsteen]

This reminds me of that expression-all hat, no cattle

[AEON]

Originally posted by Irvine511



violence remains at all-time high levels.

Associated Press. October 1st, 2007.

BAGHDAD - Deaths among American forces and Iraqi civilians fell dramatically last month to their lowest levels in more than a year, according to figures compiled by the U.S. military, the Iraqi government and The Associated Press.

The decline signaled a U.S. success in bringing down violence in Baghdad and surrounding regions since Washington completed its infusion of 30,000 more troops on June 15.

[diamond]

Originally posted by AEON

Associated Press. October 1st, 2007.

BAGHDAD - Deaths among American forces and Iraqi civilians fell dramatically last month to their lowest levels in more than a year, according to figures compiled by the U.S. military, the Iraqi government and The Associated Press.

I think we should give GW the blame, erm credit here, only begrudingly though-for the record.



dbs

[AEON]

It wouldn't matter if we pulled out every last soldier, Iraq became a stable democracy, and there was 50 years of peace in the Middle East.

The Democrats are now married to a loss in Iraq. Success there is a failure for them as a party.

[financeguy]

Originally posted by diamond
[IMG]

He's a man's man.

dbs

He's from Connecticut, isn't he?

Perhaps that photo is from a fancy dress ball at Yale.

[BVS]

Originally posted by AEON

The Democrats are now married to a loss in Iraq. Success there is a failure for them as a party.

Just because you keep repeating something over and over doesn't make something true.

You continually say this, yet you have never shown one shred of evidence where the Dems want this to fail. Maybe the Dems just don't have the ability to polish a turd the way the Republicans do.

[Irvine511]

Originally posted by AEON

i read that this morning, too. i guess i'm completely wrong. Iraq is a smashing success!

or, wait, did you look at what happened througout 2007? or are you only going to look at September because it's the most convenient?

either way, i look forward to seeing all the political process that the drop in violence is supposed to enable.

(and, note, lowest levels since 2006 ... that's kind of a misunderestimation, isn't it?)

the point here, as always, is to show measured progress in political terms. there is no military solution to Iraq.

[Irvine511]

Originally posted by AEON


The Democrats are now married to a loss in Iraq. Success there is a failure for them as a party.

say WHAT?!?!?!

this was a Republican war from the beginning and all the way through. the people who fucked everything up -- from Bush to Rumsfeld to L. Paul Bremmer to the Blackwater yahoos -- are all REPUBLICANS.

maybe if your party could fight a war -- you lost Vietnam, too, whereas the Dems won WW2 -- then you might have a point.

[AEON]

Originally posted by BonoVoxSupastar


You continually say this, yet you have never shown one shred of evidence where the Dems want this to fail.

House majority whip Jim Clyburn of South Carolina was asked by the Washington Post what Democrats would think if Petraeus reports next month that the war is going well. "That would be a real big problem for us," Clyburn candidly replied.

[Irvine511]

Originally posted by financeguy


He's from Connecticut, isn't he?

Perhaps that photo is from a fancy dress ball at Yale.

the man clears shrubbery from his property because it relaxes him.

the irony lost is that there are many who must do the same thing to eat.

[AEON]

Originally posted by Irvine511




either way, i look forward to seeing all the political process that the drop in violence is supposed to enable.

I'm sure you are.

[Irvine511]

Originally posted by AEON

come on, you can do better.

[Irvine511]

Originally posted by AEON


I'm sure you are.

if you need to tell yourself that i'm actively cheering against the US in order to make yourself feel better about the fact that the Republicans have started and lost yet another adventurist war, then go right ahead and do that.

i'll spend my time worrying about the tens of thousands of needless deaths and start to think of ways to wean ourselves off our oil dependence.