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Old 11-14-2007, 02:29 PM   #801
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the n-bomb is targeting a specific group. it was used to perpetuate racist ideals back in the day. bitch is just another bad word like fucker, asshole, and so on.
I really don't ever use bitch in reference to a man nor do I know anyone else who regularly does either. I don't think it's equivalent to asshole or fucker at all.

And I do think Irvine has it right - in the context here, the woman was specifically referring to Hillary as a bitch for a reason. She wasn't using it because she was angry some random woman cut her off on the highway or made a pass at her man.
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I really don't ever use bitch in reference to a man nor do I know anyone else who regularly does either. I don't think it's equivalent to asshole or fucker at all.

I do know people that employ the word in reference to men and women, and toss it off just like they'd toss off asshole. Admittedly, I keep unrefined company, but that makes it no less true. I cannot recall the last time I used bitch in any other way.
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I really don't ever use bitch in reference to a man nor do I know anyone else who regularly does either. I don't think it's equivalent to asshole or fucker at all.
well, perhaps for you. not for me and most people i talk to. i never said everybody did. i call bush a bitch. am i sexist? am i referring to any sort of gender trait?
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Admittedly, I keep unrefined company,
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well, perhaps for you. not for me and most people i talk to. i never said everybody did. i call bush a bitch. am i sexist? am i referring to any sort of gender trait?
My point was that I disagreed with you that bitch was a universal insult used in reference to both genders. No need to jump all over me, I never even stated whether I thought the idiot in the article was sexist, much less what I thought of your description of Bush.
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But I do. In 3 different cities now.

Present digital company excluded.

Regardless, I agree with you, Mia, as it pertains to the word.
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who's jumping?
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Well, sorry if I misunderstood, but your "tone" came across as rather irritated. Nevermind then!
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you guys are soooo lame.

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you guys are soooo lame.

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Oh! I hope that's directed at me!!!
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I agree, it seems odd to think of that word in universal terms. I've hardly ever heard that word used in reference to a guy. Most of the time I've seen it directed at women (or female dogs). It seems odd to me to call a guy a "bitch".

I've personally never used that word to seriously describe anybody, male or female, 'cause I don't really like to (and the woman in that article-classy, lady. I always love it when I hear women complain about how men should stop using those kinds of words, only for them to turn right around and use them on each other .). I do like "beeyotch", though, just 'cause it sounds funny, but even then I only use that in a joking manner.

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If it's such a "universal" insult, then how come McCain knew immediately who the woman was referring to, despite her never having named Hillary Clinton? Do you really think if she'd said "How do we beat the fucker" or "How do we beat the asshole" he would have jumped just as readily to the same (correct) conclusion, or just as readily responded with "excellent question"?
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If I do remember correctly, "b*tch" usually has a female connotation attached to it somehere-but only by bigots of course.

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Great link unico which begs another question for the likes of you
The likes of you? I don't respond to that. So please stop using my name too.
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You're the one throwing the term "sexist" around like confetti.

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Agreed.

Actually I like strong women, not abrasive ones, and therin lies the difference between say Hilary and Margret Thacther, or even Nancy Pelosi or Diane Feinstein for that matter.

Hilary bugs alot of ppl esp men more than women, and it's not that she's strong minded, that is a positive trait irrespective of gender.



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Sorry, but you say that Clinton is abrasive and therfore not electable, and then bring Thatcher as an example of a woman that is strong, but not abrasive?

That's great.
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Sorry, but you say that Clinton is abrasive and therfore not electable, and then bring Thatcher as an example of a woman that is strong, but not abrasive?

That's great.
Yes.
She exercised control and dignity on many levels.

Hilary does not.

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I shared Vincent's bemusement; Thatcher definitely had a reputation for being publically imperious and condescending.


I can accept that alternate usage of "bitch" as a gender-neutral slang term is increasing. There are several epithets whose generally understood meaning varies with context, and this is one of them. However, in some contexts it can definitely be an outright slur and not merely a putdown. As can "shrew."
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You're the one throwing the term "sexist" around like confetti.
No I use it when it's called for-and if that irritates you that's no reason to use the term "the likes of you". All your lil comments here reek of code, and some aren't even that subtle. Sometimes there's no need to even read between the lines.
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