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Old 11-07-2007, 10:48 AM   #621
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This is just sad in so many ways. It's sad that Rudy had to cower into hate just to get some votes,


Last time I time checked, Rudy's position on abortion and gay rights were in the minority, in terms of conservative philosophy. How is he using that to get votes? Rudy didn't force Robertson to endorse him. Robertson could have picked McCain or Brownback or whoever else whose beliefs better fit his.
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Last time I time checked, Rudy's position on abortion and gay rights were in the minority, in terms of conservative philosophy. How is he using that to get votes? Rudy didn't force Robertson to endorse him. Robertson could have picked McCain or Brownback or whoever else whose beliefs better fit his.


but Robertson wants to win. and McCain and Brownback won't win. Rudy probably has the best shot.

and you'll notice how Rudy has strayed from his positions on gun control, abortion, and gay marriage. in fact, after his (2nd? 1st?) divorce, he moved right into the home of a friend Howard Koeppel and his partner of 10 years, Mark Hsiao, and has told the two of them that the second marriage equality becomes reality, he'll officiate their wedding.

he doesn't talk about such things any more, and he's trying to backpedal on this by watering down his support of at least civil unions to very, very basic rights to create same-sex contracts.

so, yes, Rudy is betraying his friends in order to get endorsements from nasty people.
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Last time I time checked, Rudy's position on abortion and gay rights were in the minority, in terms of conservative philosophy. How is he using that to get votes? Rudy didn't force Robertson to endorse him. Robertson could have picked McCain or Brownback or whoever else whose beliefs better fit his.
Then you haven't checked recently...

What do you not understand? Rudy has changed his stance on abortion and gay rights to gain a CR following because these days you really can't run as a Republican without it. He realized that and sold his soul.

I didn't say he forced Robertson to do anything. You're not understanding this are you?
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I think it is absolutely telling in every way that Pat Robertson would endorse a pro-choice candidate just because he thinks it's the best chance for Republicans to win.

He never let principles get in the way before.
No serious person would take him seriously, regradless of faith.

I am just gonna write-in former Mayor Anthony Williams of DC on my ballot because he was Mayor of DC on 9/11 and that automatically makes him an expert on terrorism.
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I think it is absolutely telling in every way that Pat Robertson would endorse a pro-choice candidate just because he thinks it's the best chance for Republicans to win.


very, very good point.

say what you will about Dobson (and I have) at least he's sticking by his pro-life standards.

i'm wondering if a Rudy vs. Hillary ticket might not actually depress voter turnout.
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I think it is absolutely telling in every way that Pat Robertson would endorse a pro-choice candidate just because he thinks it's the best chance for Republicans to win.
you know, i've always wondered how much support pro-life democrat would get.
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you know, i've always wondered how much support pro-life democrat would get.
from Pat Robertson or any leader of the Christian Right?

None.
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from Pat Robertson or any leader of the Christian Right?

None.
well no you're right, not the outspoken wackos on tv. lol they don't count. i meant from the general public.
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you know, i've always wondered how much support pro-life democrat would get.
If there were every a prominent pro-life Democrat, maybe we would see. None of the current candidates are.
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Flashback: Robertson Agreed That America "Deserved" 9/11
By Greg Sargent - November 7, 2007, 11:00AM

In light of Pat Robertson's endorsement today of former NYC Mayor and Churchillian 9/11 hero Rudy Giuliani, it seems worth recalling that even as the smoke was still rising from the site a few days later, Robertson had this to say about the disaster in a TV appearance with Jerry Falwell:

"God continues to lift the curtain and allow the enemies of America to give us probably what we deserve," said Falwell, appearing yesterday on the Christian Broadcasting Network's "700 Club," hosted by Robertson.

"Jerry, that's my feeling," Robertson responded. "I think we've just seen the antechamber to terror. We haven't even begun to see what they can do to the major population."

Falwell said the American Civil Liberties Union has "got to take a lot of blame for this," again winning Robertson's agreement: "Well, yes."


Subsequent to that, Falwell placed some of the blame for 9/11 squarely on a range of Americans -- civil liberties groups, feminists, homosexuals, abortion rights supporters -- who have tried to "secularize" America. Robertson didn't disagree. Today Rudy gladly accepted his endorsement.
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If there were every a prominent pro-life Democrat, maybe we would see. None of the current candidates are.


Harry Reid is anti-choice.
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well no you're right, not the outspoken wackos on tv. lol they don't count. i meant from the general public.
It would be interesing to see. There probably are many pro-life Democrats that are afraid to say so because of their politics. It's likely the same with some Republicans being strongly pro-choice, but not saying so because of politics.
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Flashback: Robertson Agreed That America "Deserved" 9/11
By Greg Sargent - November 7, 2007, 11:00AM

In light of Pat Robertson's endorsement today of former NYC Mayor and Churchillian 9/11 hero Rudy Giuliani, it seems worth recalling that even as the smoke was still rising from the site a few days later, Robertson had this to say about the disaster in a TV appearance with Jerry Falwell:

"God continues to lift the curtain and allow the enemies of America to give us probably what we deserve," said Falwell, appearing yesterday on the Christian Broadcasting Network's "700 Club," hosted by Robertson.

"Jerry, that's my feeling," Robertson responded. "I think we've just seen the antechamber to terror. We haven't even begun to see what they can do to the major population."

Falwell said the American Civil Liberties Union has "got to take a lot of blame for this," again winning Robertson's agreement: "Well, yes."


Subsequent to that, Falwell placed some of the blame for 9/11 squarely on a range of Americans -- civil liberties groups, feminists, homosexuals, abortion rights supporters -- who have tried to "secularize" America. Robertson didn't disagree. Today Rudy gladly accepted his endorsement.
How does one even respond to this kind of hate and ignorance? It just is incredibly upsetting that some people might see this and think that it's a represntation Jesus and those who are trying to follow Him.
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Rudy doesn't seem to be bothered by it
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Rudy doesn't seem to be bothered by it
Power trips, 9-11, can be a bitch, 9-11, 9-11.
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November 07, 2007 3:18 PM

ABC News' David Wright and Sunlen Miller Report: At a town hall meeting Wednesday an Iowa voter asked Senator Barack Obama, D-Ill., about the numerous emails she has received with photos purporting to show Obama "refusing" to pledge allegiance to the flag.

"You're standing with your arms folded and Hillary's got her hand on her heart," she said, adding that she received so many of these emails she is sick of them.

Obama shook his head and smiled.

"This was not during the pledge of allegiance," Obama said of the picture taken at Senator Tom Harkin's, D-Iowa, annual steak fry and first published by Time. "A woman was singing the Star Spangled Banner when that picture was taken.

"I was taught by my grandfather that you put your hand over your heart during the pledge, but during the Star Spangled Banner, you sing!" Obama said.


Obama called the circulation of such pictures a "dirty trick" and mentioned other emails accusing him of being "a Muslim plant."

"I have been pledging allegiance since I was a kid," Obama said.

Obama advised his supporters who receive such emails to ignore them.

"Just tell whoever sent it," Obama told the crowd, "they're misinformed."
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"I was taught by my grandfather that you put your hand over your heart during the pledge, but during the Star Spangled Banner, you sing!" Obama said.

whiiiiiich he doesn't seem to be doing either...
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whiiiiiich he doesn't seem to be doing either...
because you have audio of this file and know where they are in the song?
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