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Old 10-22-2007, 12:22 PM   #361
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Rudy you sold out to bigotry to get some votes, you're a coward.
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Thank you! And spot on with all you said too!
You're welcome, and thanks to you as well .

As for Giuliani...sooooo, a guy who's going through a divorce (which I imagine doesn't exactly fit within that stupid "Defense of Marriage" thing) will be willing to support an amendment banning gays from getting married?

Pardon my language, but what the fuck kind of logic is that? Very disappointing to hear that news.

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But his divorced marriage had sanctity, don't you see? It was a man and a woman!



Hypocrisy at its finest.
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Rudy you sold out to bigotry to get some votes, you're a coward.
QFT.
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QFT?
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Quite Fucking True
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ahh... Thanks.
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Quite Fucking True
Or Quoted For Truth. I prefer your version, though.
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Thompson's Daughter's Death Informs Right-to-Die Stance
Thompson Says End-of-Life Decisions Should Not Become 'Political Football'
By JAKE TAPPER

Oct. 22, 2007 —

In a moving, pointed and rare response to a question about the Terri Schiavo controversy, former Sen. Fred Thompson of Tennessee Monday afternoon described details of the death of his own daughter, Elizabeth "Betsy" Thompson Panici, and said that neither federal nor local governments should play any role in making a family's end-of-life decisions.

"I had to make those decisions with the rest of my family," Thompson said. "And I will assure you one thing: No matter which decision you make, you will never know whether or not you made exactly the right decision."

GOP hopeful Thompson said that "making this into a political football is something that I don't welcome, and this will probably be the last time I ever address it. It should be decided by the family. The federal government -- and the state government too, except for the court system -- should stay out of these matters, as far as I'm concerned."

Betsy Panici died in January 2002 at the age of 38 from a brain injury following cardiac arrest after what was deemed an accidental overdose of prescription drugs. The death of Thompson's only daughter from his first marriage is said to have devastated the lawyer-turned-actor-turned-politician, and friends say it played a major role in Thompson's decision not to seek re-election two months later.

In June 2002, Thompson, who in 1985 divorced his first wife and the mother of his three children, including daughter Betsy, married political consultant Jeri Kehn. Their daughter, Hayden, was born in 2003, and their son, Samuel, was born just last year.

Last month during a sojourn to Florida, Thompson begged off a direct answer when asked if Congress had overstepped its bounds in March 2005 by preventing Schiavo's feeding tube from being removed, per court orders and the desires of her husband, Michael Schiavo. "Local matters, generally speaking, should be left to the locals," Thompson said last month. But since Thompson also said, "I don't remember the details of the case," many in the media covered his answer as if he had slept through what was a national frenzy in 2005.

"Obviously, I had heard about the Schiavo case," Thompson said Monday afternoon after touring the Port of Tampa, when a local reporter asked him if he wanted to revisit his answer from September. "I had to face a situation like that on a personal level with my own daughter. I know this is bandied about as a political issue, and people want to make it such and talk about it in the public marketplace a lot. I am a little bit uncomfortable about that, because it's an intensely personal thing with me. These things need to be decided by the family."
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I won't argue with the guy on that issue. Especially about turning it into a political thing-I can't think of anything that would be more disrespectful to the family and to the person who's suffering.

I'm very sorry to hear about what he's had to go through . My condolances to him and his family on their loss.

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Damn. That's tough for Thompson. I'm glad to see he understands that government has no say in situations like that. I wonder if he understands that government has no say in other health matters?
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Group to Obama: Drop singer from tour

By ANN SANNER, Associated Press Writer 30 minutes ago

A gay rights group has urged Barack Obama to cut ties with a gospel singer who it says spreads false information about homosexuality being a choice.

Donnie McClurkin is among several gospel singers scheduled to raise money for the Illinois senator and Democratic presidential candidate at a concert in South Carolina this weekend.

McClurkin has drawn attention from gay rights activists for his views on homosexuality.

"I don't believe that it is the intention of God," McClurkin said Monday in a telephone interview. "Sexuality, everything is a matter of choice."

McClurkin said he does not believe in discriminating against homosexuals. "What people do in their bedrooms and who they are as human beings are two different things," he said.

In a statement, Obama said he believes gays and lesbians are "our brothers and sisters" and should be afforded the same respect, dignity and rights granted all other citizens.

"I have consistently spoken directly to African-American religious leaders about the need to overcome the homophobia that persists in some parts our community so that we can confront issues like HIV/AIDS and broaden the reach of equal rights in this country," Obama said. "I strongly believe that African Americans and the LGBT community must stand together in the fight for equal rights. And so I strongly disagree with Reverend McClurkin's views and will continue to fight for these rights as president of the United States to ensure that America is a country that spreads tolerance instead of division."

The statement did not say whether McClurkin will still perform on the tour.

"We strongly urge Obama to part ways with this divisive preacher who is clearly singing a different tune than the stated message of the campaign," Wayne Besen, executive director of Truth Wins Out, said in a statement.

At a forum on gay issues in August, Obama argued that civil unions for same-sex couples wouldn't be a "lesser thing" than marriage. Obama belongs to the United Church of Christ, which supports gay marriage, but Obama has yet to go that far.

In a telephone interview Monday, Besen said he admired Obama, but wasn't ready to endorse him, especially considering McClurkin taking part in the campaign's "Embrace the Change" concert tour.

"I think he'd be a great president. But I think it's going to drive away support from people who are on the fence such as myself," Besen said.

McClurkin is a Grammy Award winner who performed at the Republican National Convention in 2004. He told AP Radio in an interview that September that he was "once involved with those desires and those thoughts," which he attributed to being raped at 8 and 13.

"That's what thrust me into it, and then God delivered me from that and gave me back who I really am and my true purpose," McClurkin said.
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Where do these people come from? They're just fooling themselves...

I never once had to make a choice of who I was attracted to.
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He told AP Radio in an interview that September that he was "once involved with those desires and those thoughts," which he attributed to being raped at 8 and 13.

"That's what thrust me into it, and then God delivered me from that and gave me back who I really am and my true purpose," McClurkin said.
Oh my God. He attributes his homosexual feelings to being raped? I can't even process how that must apply to women in his fucked up mind.
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I am at a loss to figure out how people that are supposed to be intelligent adults cannot tell the difference between sexuality and sexual activity. Echoing BVS, I have never had to try to be attracted to the opposite gender of myself, I just am attracted to guys. It wasn't a decision I had to make after thinking and praying long and hard. Gay people have to choose to engage in sexual activity, but, guess what, so do I as a straight woman! That has nothing to do with choosing their sexual orientation. I don't get what is so difficult to understand about that.
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whenever someone uses the words sexual "orientation" and saying it is a "choice," they lose credibility with me. people should come up with terms that don't make them look foolish and contradictory.
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Gay people have to choose to engage in sexual activity, but, guess what, so do I as a straight woman! That has nothing to do with choosing their sexual orientation. I don't get what is so difficult to understand about that.


the thinking is that you aren't gay until you have gay sex. in fact, there are no gay people, there are just people who engage in homosexual "activity." there are no gay people, and no straight people, really. there are just people. and human sexuality is naturally and always heterosexual. any difference is really deviance, and can be attributed to a variety of things, but it all comes from living in a fallen world.

and this is the happy, charitable, hate-the-sin-love-the-sinner viewpoint.
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the thinking is that you aren't gay until you have gay sex. in fact, there are no gay people, there are just people who engage in homosexual "activity." there are no gay people, and no straight people, really. there are just people. and human sexuality is naturally and always heterosexual. any difference is really deviance, and can be attributed to a variety of things, but it all comes from living in a fallen world.

and this is the happy, charitable, hate-the-sin-love-the-sinner viewpoint.
That has honestly got to be the dumbest reasoning I've ever heard. Homosexuality and heterosexality are not activities. Sex is an activity, regardless of which gender a person chooses to engage in it with. I was straight before sex, and gosh darn it, I still am. For people so uptight about sex they sure do think about it a lot. It seems like sex is what they think holds a relationship together and that a relationship can't be real and passionate without sex (only in the missionary position of course ) I hear (and know) about a lot of Christians my age or just a little older getting married. There's nothing wrong with that in and of itself, but a lot of times the reason given is that they don't want to "sin", so they better get married. That way, they can have sex without the floor opening up and swallowing them down to hell. I think its wonderful if people wait until they're married to have sex; it's commendable, especially in today's society. Yet, if you're getting married just so you can have sex, you're better off not being married at all. Lust and romance fade. If there's not true love underneath it, good luck in holding the marriage together after that. It's no wonder that Conservative, evangelicals have a higher divorce rate than any one else.
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(Sorry, that second part didn't have much to do with the topic at hand, but it's been bothering me lately. I suppose it fits in there in some way, though)
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has anybody been to huckabee's web site? it is perhaps the most hilarious thing i've seen in all day:

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I will fight the war on terror with the intensity and single-mindedness that it deserves.
single-mindedness is a good thing?

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Our Founding Fathers, having endured the tyranny of the British Empire, wanted to guarantee our God-given liberties. They devised our three branches of government and our system of checks and balances. But they were still concerned that the system could fail, and that we might someday face a new tyranny from our own government. They wanted us to be able to defend ourselves, and that's why they gave us the Second Amendment.
is he saying he fears an onslaught from the SCOTUS or Congress? that we the people have the right to use our guns on our government leaders?


are people seriously supporting this guy?
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has anybody been to huckabee's web site? it is perhaps the most hilarious thing i've seen in all day:



single-mindedness is a good thing?



If the implied message is that he would have stayed on Osama (Obama) until he got him
instead of going into Iraq then it may not be a bad thing.
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