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Old 10-09-2007, 07:46 AM   #241
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I guess you or Diamond haven't seen those that have commented on Obama's words...

I don't think faith takes any part, whatsoever. Many do, that's the problem. The problem is many voters think it does take a part. They are looking for it...

So I can understand Obama's comments, I'm not exactly comfortable with it but I understand.

But I haven't seen anyone "harrassed".
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If he were a conservative he would have been harrassed for those comments 24/7.

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Yeah. I would give a conservative more trouble for saying that than I do Obama. Mostly because conservatives have shown a willingness to legislate away my choices and rights in the name of such a Kingdom. I haven't seen that yet from him. When I do, I'll start hollering even louder.
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If he were a conservative he would have been harrassed for those comments 24/7.

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are you trying to say that conservative and liberal ideals of "the kingdom" are the same? otherwise, i don't see your point. because i think it is quite obvious that liberal minded people are going to support a liberal notion and conservative minded people will support a conservative notion.
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are you trying to say that conservative and liberal ideals of "the kingdom" are the same?
Ooh, I just got a shiver up my spine thinking of the conservative heaven...

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are you trying to say that conservative and liberal ideals of "the kingdom" are the same? .
No.

That speaking in a church by a politician is diametrically opposed to the liberals' oft repeated mantra of "seperation of church and state."

That you guys took no offense of it wreaks of hypocrisy.

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That you guys took no offense of it wreaks of hypocrisy.
I took offense.
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That you guys took no offense of it wreaks of hypocrisy.

Have you just stopped reading people's post all together?

"You guys" once again your lumping of people is lazy and ignorant...
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That speaking in a church by a politician is diametrically opposed to the liberals' oft repeated mantra of "seperation of church and state."

That you guys took no offense of it wreaks of hypocrisy.

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No. Wrong. Again.

To accuse of hypocrisy, you need to understand the other side of the argument.

The main problems liberals have are that conservatives attempt to implement religion into legislation. See: abortion and same-sex marriage.
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I took offense.
yes u did, i/we some of us consevatives applaud that fact.

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Oh the irony
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It's pretty cowardly to pick and choose your responses.
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WASHINGTON (CNN) — He wouldn't say which presidential candidate he supports by name, but former Mexico President Vicente Fox made clear Monday on CNN's Larry King Live who he hopes will be the next occupant of the White House.

"A lady would be my choice," the man who served as Mexico's president from 2000-2006 said, when asked if he had a favorite in the White House race.

Asked if he was referring to Democratic frontrunner Hillary Clinton, Fox repeated that he'd prefer a woman in the White House.

"There ain't no other lady running," King noted.

"I think that women show their vision, their capacities, their emotions, their passion, their compassion," Fox continued. "And to me governments and politicians need huge doses of that of religion, of spiritual values, of letting themselves be guided by God and not just polls."

Fox also said former President Bill Clinton is an "inspiration" and said Clinton, along with former President Jimmy Carter, have shown "that there is life after the presidency."
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Fox also said former President Bill Clinton is an "inspiration"
Oh, the days when our president was actually admired by other world leaders...
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I guess a sexually harassing philanderer can still have some inspirational qualities
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No.

That speaking in a church by a politician is diametrically opposed to the liberals' oft repeated mantra of "seperation of church and state."

That you guys took no offense of it wreaks of hypocrisy.

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okay actually i'm more offended from what you said. why do you assume that liberals are godless? you have no idea. you need to stop with that. some liberals do go to church. if a politican wants to go there and, once again, engage in discussion with like-minded people about like-minded ideals, then what is the problem?

i have no problems with politicians being of any sort of religion. i'm not mccain. what i don't want is a narrow minded interpretation of christian idealology being used to create law enforced discrimination.
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Well to be fair, I don't think he was saying liberals are godless(at least this time, he's made references to it several times in the past though). I just think he's trying to point out some hypocrisy that he thinks he sees.

Speaking in a church does seem to cross a gray line of separation of church and state, but I didn't see anything about making legislation... that's something Diamond doesn't seem to understand.
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okay actually i'm more offended from what you said. why do you assume that liberals are godless? enforced discrimination.
No.
That is a misread on your part.

I only pointed out most liberals would have a conniption if a conservative were campaigning in a church-(espousing what their beliefs and understanding of Christianity were)-and if you're honest you'll admit it's true.

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I think the issue is that theo-lefties blind spots on such issues are a generally lot smaller than those with religious conservatives.
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No.
That is a misread on your part.

I only pointed out most liberals would have a conniption if a conservative were campaigning in a church-(espousing what their beliefs and understanding of Christianity were)-and if you're honest you'll admit it's true.

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No. Just if they were trying to base law off a religion specific idea.
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