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Old 10-04-2007, 03:50 PM   #201
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Well, that was pretty sexist.
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And yet they say PC ruins humour.
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Obama, may get a pass on this.

The press seems to like him.

and the GOP would rather go up against him instead of Hillary.



But, a Presidential Candidate that won't wear the flag.

We have troops that are dying, for our country.

Will he say the "Pledge to the Flag"?






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By DAVID WRIGHT and SUNLEN MILLER
Oct. 4, 2007 —


An eagle-eyed reporter for the ABC affiliate in Cedar Rapids, Iowa, noticed something missing from Democratic presidential contender Sen. Barack Obama's, D-Ill., lapels.

"You don't have the American flag pin on. Is that a fashion statement?" the reporter asked, at the end of a brief interview with Obama. "Those have been on politicians since Sept. 12, 2001."

The standard political reply to that question might well have been, "My patriotism speaks for itself."

But Obama didn't say that.

Instead the Illinois senator answered the question at length, explaining that he no longer wears such a pin, at least in part, because of the Iraq War.

"You know, the truth is that right after 9/11, I had a pin," Obama said. "Shortly after 9/11, particularly because as we're talking about the Iraq War, that became a substitute for I think true patriotism, which is speaking out on issues that are of importance to our national security, I decided I won't wear that pin on my chest.
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Old 10-04-2007, 06:22 PM   #204
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Good for him, they always rubbed me the wrong way. Like people were trying too hard.
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I'll start posting some nasty lil pictures in regard to Mormons and we'll see how funny some people think they are. Someone is desperate for some attention The "joke" ceased to be funny a long time ago, at least for me.
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Old 10-05-2007, 01:21 AM   #206
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It's early yet..
Better than what's currently in office...
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Does one need to wear a flag pin to be patriotic? I don't wear a flag pin, and I consider myself patriotic.
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It's early yet..
Yeah, but 33 points is a pretty humongous lead.
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Ooh, Socialism.. Communism-everybody get under your desks, duck and cover!

By Abdon Pallasch
Sun-Times Political Writer

GLEN ELLYN, Ill. -At a suburban Chicago community college, Republican Rudy Giuliani campaigned Thursday as if the primary elections were over and his only opponent for president was Democrat Hillary Rodham Clinton.

Giuliani, speaking at the College of DuPage, repeatedly slammed "HillaryCare" as "socialized medicine" and accused the Democratic frontrunner of supporting "socialism" for her proposal to give every American $5,000 when they are born as a college account.

"If the shoe fits ... You want to give 5 grand to everyone born in the United States. Tell me that isn't socialism," Giuliani said.

Former New York Mayor Giuliani and Clinton, a Senator from New York, have fund-raisers a few block apart in Chicago Thursday.
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Oh, Rudy...

Poor Rudy has lost it, I think some former FYM posters may be running his campaign...
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Ooh, Socialism.. Communism-everybody get under your desks, duck and cover!

By Abdon Pallasch
Sun-Times Political Writer

GLEN ELLYN, Ill. -At a suburban Chicago community college, Republican Rudy Giuliani campaigned Thursday as if the primary elections were over and his only opponent for president was Democrat Hillary Rodham Clinton.

Giuliani, speaking at the College of DuPage, repeatedly slammed "HillaryCare" as "socialized medicine" and accused the Democratic frontrunner of supporting "socialism" for her proposal to give every American $5,000 when they are born as a college account.

"If the shoe fits ... You want to give 5 grand to everyone born in the United States. Tell me that isn't socialism," Giuliani said.

Former New York Mayor Giuliani and Clinton, a Senator from New York, have fund-raisers a few block apart in Chicago Thursday.
What the hell is he smoking? Yes, how dare we provide health care and education for future generations when we can spend billions on our freedom-fighting mission in the Middle East: It's all about priorities people, and the welfare of human beings isn't one of them! It's good to know where rich, white assholes stand on helping out the "little people"!

On a side note, how could anyone be ignorant enough to talk about opposing funding for college, while speaking at a...*wait for it*.....college?
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so aside from labeling the plan, did he actually address the issues of higher education and health care costs?

this guy is a nut. MANY countries elsewhere have free healthcare and tuition-free higher education. they are far from socialist. i wish more people would realize how common AND beneficial it is, rather than labeling it something that it is not.

and telling college students he doesn't want to reduce their tuition isn't going to win any hearts.
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so aside from labeling the plan, did he actually address the issues of higher education and health care costs?

this guy is a nut. MANY countries elsewhere have free healthcare and tuition-free higher education. they are far from socialist. i wish more people would realize how common AND beneficial it is, rather than labeling it something that it is not.

and telling college students he doesn't want to reduce their tuition isn't going to win any hearts.
I absolutely agree. It would take a lot of careful planning on the government's part, because without caution it could become socialism. Yet, our current system is simply not working either. We either have to go to a system similar to that prescribed by Hillary Clinton and others who agree with her, or find some middle ground that would make everyone happy. (Good luck on option 2.) If the next president, doesn't make these 2 issues his/her top priority than this country will just continue on the regressive path its been on for the past 7 years. I don't think we can take any more of that.
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I absolutely agree. It would take a lot of careful planning on the government's part, because without caution it could become socialism. Yet, our current system is simply not working either. We either have to go to a system similar to that prescribed by Hillary Clinton and others who agree with her, or find some middle ground that would make everyone happy. (Good luck on option 2.) If the next president, doesn't make these 2 issues his/her top priority than this country will just continue on the regressive path it's been on for the past 7 years. I don't think we can take any more of that.
well, the problem right now is that institutions of higher education are state mandated. thus why in-state tuition can vary from state to state. i've had loads of friends in the northeast who went to college with me in va simply because the in-state tuition was comparable to my schools out-of-state tuition.

so, leaving one state to go to another to go to college is one thing. if tuition costs continue to skyrocket, soon the prices may be comparable to pursuing a degree abroad. then the system is REALLY screwed.
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so aside from labeling the plan, did he actually address the issues of higher education and health care costs?
Why would he want to do that? Then people would ask hard questions.
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well, the problem right now is that institutions of higher education are state mandated. thus why in-state tuition can vary from state to state. i've had loads of friends in the northeast who went to college with me in va simply because the in-state tuition was comparable to my schools out-of-state tuition.

so, leaving one state to go to another to go to college is one thing. if tuition costs continue to skyrocket, soon the prices may be comparable to pursuing a degree abroad. then the system is REALLY screwed.
That is one of the the things that has bothered me most about higher education. What exactly is the difference in having a student from Michigan, for example, (since that's where I'm from and go to school) attend a college here or to have a student come here from, say, Minnesota? The price to educate is the same, so I don't see why a student coming from another state has to be charged thousands of dollars more per year than me. I'm already paying too much! The bottom line is, I really feel that there needs to be a fixed, affordable tuition rate both for 2 year colleges and 4 year universities that is established at the federal level. I don't know how that would go about being established or how financial aid would be qualified for those who need it, but something has to be addressed in this area. The costs to attend school are getting ridiculous. I've been blessed quite a bit in the scholarship area, so I haven't had to worry about student loans as of yet. Some of my friends, though are paying for the majority of their college with loans and will be paying them off for God knows how long. The next president really needs to get a handle on the education system, at all levels, because we're failing in every area imaginable.
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Why would he want to do that? Then people would ask hard questions.
Oh, snap!
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That is one of the the things that has bothered me most about higher education. What exactly is the difference in having a student from Michigan, for example, (since that's where I'm from and go to school) attend a college here or to have a student come here from, say, Minnesota? The price to educate is the same, so I don't see why a student coming from another state has to be charged thousands of dollars more per year than me. I'm already paying too much! The bottom line is, I really feel that there needs to be a fixed, affordable tuition rate both for 2 year colleges and 4 year universities that is established at the federal level. I don't know how that would go about being established or how financial aid would be qualified for those who need it, but something has to be addressed in this area. The costs to attend school are getting ridiculous. I've been blessed quite a bit in the scholarship area, so I haven't had to worry about student loans as of yet. Some of my friends, though are paying for the majority of their college with loans and will be paying them off for God knows how long. The next president really needs to get a handle on the education system, at all levels, because we're failing in every area imaginable.
States taxes pay for state colleges. The thinking is that if you've lived in a state for x number of years, your taxes have paid for the college.

Be careful aboiut too much federal involvement in education. It's a double-edged sword.
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States taxes pay for state colleges. The thinking is that if you've lived in a state for x number of years, your taxes have paid for the college.
At least that makes sense.

In Canada, if I go to law school in any province, the cost is the same as that to students in that province. If I go to Quebec, I'm charged twice as much. So in summary: Quebec students get to benefit from our provincial taxes; we get no benefit from theirs.
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