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Old 10-05-2008, 03:25 PM   #901
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The larger question is why hasn't the MSM talked about these videos?

You do the math.

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There is no math to do. You couldn't answer my question because there is no math...
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at last, we've come to the real reason why Palin was selected: so she can smirk and call Obama a terrorist. "man of honor" McCain has a hawkee mahm doing his dirty work for him.

but is this hari kiri?


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By CHARLES BABINGTON – 1 hour ago

ASHEVILLE, N.C. (AP) — Barack Obama's allies warn that John McCain's attacks on the Democrat's character will lead to the political equivalent of mutual assured destruction: fire your big weapon at your own peril.

Several Obama surrogates said his supporters may start reminding voters of McCain's ties to Charles Keating, a convicted savings and loan owner whose actions two decades ago triggered a Senate ethics investigation that involved McCain as one of the "Keating Five."

The warnings of massive retaliation came as McCain's running mate, Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin, took on the role of attacker and said that Obama sees America as so imperfect "that he's palling around with terrorists who would target their own country." She was referring to an early Obama supporter, 1960s radical Bill Ayers, a founder of the Weather Underground whose members were blamed for several bombings when Obama was a child.

Obama has denounced Ayer's radical views and activities. But he's not above questioning McCain's character with loaded words.

On Sunday Obama unveiled a TV ad on the economy that paints McCain was "erratic in a crisis." Some see that as a reminder of McCain's age, 72.

Democrats were well-synchronized Sunday, using the word "erratic" and Keating's name in nearly-matching sentences across the talk show circuit.

"This is going to be a month, I think, of character assassination," Sen. Dianne Feinstein, D-Calif., an Obama supporter, said on CBS's "Face the Nation."

Indeed, McCain adviser Greg Strimple predicted "a very aggressive last 30 days" of the campaign.

"We are looking forward to turning a page on this financial crisis and getting back to discussing Mr. Obama's aggressively liberal record and how he will be too risky for Americans," he said in a recent conference call with reporters.

Obama, too, alluded to harsher tactics in a speech Sunday to thousands of people in Asheville, N.C.

McCain and his aides, Obama said, "are gambling that he can distract you with smears rather than talk to you about substance. They'd rather try to tear our campaign down than lift this country up. It's what you do when you're out of touch, out of ideas, and running out of time."

Noting the nation's serious economic problems, Obama said: "Yet instead of addressing these crises, Senator McCain's campaign has announced that they plan to turn the page on the discussion about our economy and spend the final weeks of this campaign launching Swiftboat-style attacks on me."

Obama has denounced Ayers' radical views and activities. However, Ayers hosted a small gathering for Obama in 1995, early in his political career. Obama and Ayers live in the same Chicago neighborhood and served on a charity board together, but there is no evidence they have palled around.

Rep. Rahm Emanuel, a Chicago Democrat and Obama supporter, warned against McCain's strategy.

"If we are going to go down this road, you know, Barack Obama was eight years old, somehow responsible for Bill Ayers," he said. "At 58, John McCain was associating with Charles Keating."

"If we really want to talk who is associating with who, we will," Emanuel said. "The American people will lose in that transaction."

Just months into his Senate career, in the late 1980s, McCain made what he has called "the worst mistake of my life." He participated in two meetings with banking regulators on behalf of Keating, a friend, campaign contributor and S&L financier who was later convicted of securities fraud.

The Senate ethics committee investigated five senators' relationships with Keating. It cited McCain for a lesser role than the others, but faulted his "poor judgment."

In the new Obama ad, an announcer says: "Our financial system in turmoil. And John McCain? Erratic in a crisis. Out of touch on the economy."

The ad, slated to start running Monday on national cable, alludes to McCain's response to the nation's financial crisis. He briefly suspended his campaign, called for a White House summit meeting that ended chaotically, and showed varying degrees of support for the massive rescue bill Congress passed Friday.

Republicans say McCain's actions showed leadership.

"In the midst of it all, I think you saw Sen. McCain, unlike Sen. Obama, come off the campaign trail, because that's John McCain in the middle of a crisis," said Sen. Joseph Lieberman of Connecticut, an independent-Democrat who backs McCain.
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Sad news for the Biden family, his mother in law died today.

Biden’s Mother-in-Law Dies - The Caucus Blog - NYTimes.com
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oh no.. thats awful...
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Oh, that's a shame.
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Sad news. My condolences to her family and friends.
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i know that some people want to think that the only reason Obama is skyrocketing in the polls and McCain is falling is because of the economy, but there's more to the rise than the fact that McCain admits he knows nothing about the economy and the only place Republicans have ever taken us is economic ruin.
The evidence does not support that though. Take a look at the polls and look when Obama started to pull ahead of McCain after McCain had been ahead for two solid weeks by margins as large as five points. Obama did not start to pull ahead of McCain until after the financial crises in mid-September.
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so, after Obama continued to skyrocket after the first debate, how much of a bounce will he get after the second debate? it was startling, for Obama to have so clearly defeated McCain in what was supposed to be his best subject, foreign policy, and now we're going into a debate into what is McCain's preferred format -- the town hall. can McCain start to close the ever widening gap now that Obama is pushing 50% and more in most national polls and as the list of swing states are now all red states? all McCain can do is hold, is it going to be enough for the presidency? is Obama, again, going to shut down and shut up McCain even though the debate is supposedly weighted towards his strengths?

we can only wonder.
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Will O tap Hil?

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i think that if McCain hadn't been imploded by the economy, Obama's superior debating skills, better ideas, superior intelligence, stronger campaign, and just better overall human qualities, and the in retrospect terrible choice of Palin, and that if maybe he were tied in the polls, Obama might have an HRC pick as a Hail Mary. fortunately, he hasn't needed to embarrass and debase himself like McCain has had to.

the fact that McCain has sent Our Sarah out to call Obama a terrorist is more proof positive of the campaign's desperation.

it's sad, really. poor John McCain. he was crushed by Bush in 2000 and everyone knows he hates the man. so then he sucked up to Bush in 2004 in order to become the front runner in 2008. then, Bush turned out to be the worst president in modern history, and so poor Johnny M had to distance himself from Mr. 22% and forced a sitting president to literally phone in a speech to the RNC. that's shocking, and historic, and shocking to anyone who understands anything about history. McCain did his best to shoot Bush in the head, and Palin emphatically denounced and rejected the failed Bush administration in the last debate.

and what good has it done them?

not much.

poor things.
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i think that if McCain hadn't been imploded by the economy, Obama's superior debating skills, better ideas, superior intelligence, stronger campaign, and just better overall human qualities, and the in retrospect terrible choice of Palin, and that if maybe he were tied in the polls, Obama might have an HRC pick as a Hail Mary. fortunately, he hasn't needed to embarrass and debase himself like McCain has had to.

the fact that McCain has sent Our Sarah out to call Obama a terrorist is more proof positive of the campaign's desperation.

it's sad, really. poor John McCain. he was crushed by Bush in 2000 and everyone knows he hates the man. so then he sucked up to Bush in 2004 in order to become the front runner in 2008. then, Bush turned out to be the worst president in modern history, and so poor Johnny M had to distance himself from Mr. 22% and forced a sitting president to literally phone in a speech to the RNC. that's shocking, and historic, and shocking to anyone who understands anything about history. McCain did his best to shoot Bush in the head, and Palin emphatically denounced and rejected the failed Bush administration in the last debate.

and what good has it done them?

not much.

poor things.
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if we were from another planet and we landed and saw this election, it should be a no-brainer.

an old, white, long time senator who was a war hero and a major part of a party that has been in power for over a decade and who has spent the better part of his career cultivating the media (not to mention submitting himself before the current president) is running against an almost unknown first term african-american senator with the name Barack Hussein Obama.

by all reasonable historical measures, it shouldn't even be close.

alas.
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What's incredible is that he has 2 out of 3 names working against him.

To the idiots anyway.

And yet, he is up 50%-43%.


I guess the chickens did come home to roost after all, except in a way that actually makes sense: 8 years of crap will not pan out for another 4.
Hopefully.

BTW, Rev. Wright is a jackass racist moron. I don't mean to quote him in a positive manner.

Anyway, according to Palin, Obama hangs out with terrorists.
Meanwhile, Obama is the only one who has mentioned hunting down Osama Bin Laden.

You would think with McCain's record he would play that up more, but no.
Which makes me believe the governement actually knows more that they do about his whereabouts and doings and keep him there so the can pull the fear factor at any time.
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I guess the chickens did come home to roost after all, except in a way that actually makes sense: 8 years of crap will not pan out for another 4.
Hopefully.
I really think that we have a very inert and mostly stupid middle and lower middle class who is perfectly happy to maintain the status quo. Bush was able to get a lot of them by scaring them with brown ragheads coming after them into the American heartland.

But now their own financial well being is in trouble. Now they are worried about their money in the bank, their payroll cheques and how long they'll continue to be employed. You're never going to get the right wing bigots, but the middle cares more about their own hide than about Obama's middle name or who he sat on a board with. They are terrified of losing their money and that the country is going to implode. They see an angry old man well past his prime, a woman who is woefully inadequate by any sane measure, a president who has been a miserable failure except if you're Sting, Republicans in congress trying to pretend like they're not republicans and so on.

Once you start feeling like you may be out on your ass in the street, suddenly Adam and Steve getting hitched and a 19 year old college student going to an abortion clinic start to seem irrelevant. These people are looking out for #1 first, who can blame them. Except McCain who looks like he may be a huge loser by virtue of it.
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You think this election is weird...just wait till 2012!!!!
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You really shouldn't go digging for lame-ass, peripherally-associated skeletons when you have a few in your own closet that tie in 100% to the crises of the day.

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a Republican strategist has some good advice for Johnny Mac and Our Sarah:


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Lots of process talk on the political tom-toms right now about McCain pulling out of Michigan and re-deploying resources to other states. This moving forces around the map like Gen. Rommel in the desert stuff may be catnip to the media and a huge pre-occupation of the campaign staffs, but it can obscure the big picture. McCain is in trouble in Michigan for the same reason he is in trouble in GOP leaning Florida and North Carolina; when it come to strategy Team Obama is throwing the McCain High Command around the room like stunt men in a Bruce Lee picture. The terrain of the election has shifted mightily to economic fear and Obama is moving his campaign to exploit that. Meanwhile the McCain campaign retains its lamentable focus on press tactics at the expense of a real strategy. While Obama’s huge financial resources are an advantage, the vital issue for McCain is not cutting all Detroit TV spending to find money to increase a TV ad buy in Charlotte from 1700 rating points a week to 2600 rating points because Obama can afford 3800 rating points. What really counts is what message McCain is using his 1800 rating points to carry, and even more importantly what message McCain and Palin are out selling in the media every day. For the last nine weeks the McCain campaign has tried win by raising Obama’s negatives. Ads have attacked, McCain and Palin has have attacked. This has failed. Over the top negative attacks and a campaign message that too often seems to be little more than sarcasm and suppressed anger has damaged McCain’s priceless and hard earned “brand” as a different kind of Republican. McCain’s best option now is to ditch the chainsaw and offer a scared and angry country what it badly wants; hope and leadership.

Palin should drop the braying attacks on Obama’s aging hippie bomber pals and start connecting to her cherished hockey moms on the one issue they = are actually worried about; a quickly slowing economy. Chuck the hacky and ineffective negative ads and switch to man on the street spots with real people voicing their real doubts about Obama; too weak to stand up to Washington’s mighty special interest cartel or the newly empowered Democratic bosses of the Congress and Senate, too liberal to know how to fix the economy, too inexperienced to handle a dangerous world.
On Tuesday, McCain should look into the camera and connect to the 80 million scared and worried Americans who will be watching him.

McCain is losing. To regain a chance to win, McCain must run as who he truly is; pragmatic, tough, bi-partisan and ready to break some special interest china to get the right things done in Washington. Fix the message, and you will fix the states.

i guess i'm getting a little sick -- and this goes mostly for Republicans, but also for Democrats, and especially for David Brooks -- of people who continue to make excuses for McCain's nasty, snarky, mean-spirited campaign. the chorus of, "it's not his fault, he's better than this." really? just who is in charge here?

perhaps, after over a decade of carefully cultivated and managed media spin about said Maverick, we are seeing the real McCain, and there's no there there. or, what's there is a professional politician who's used his position for personal gain as much as anyone else in DC.

it's disappointing, really. because i bought into the Maverick McCain Myth as well.
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it's disappointing, really. because i bought into the Maverick McCain Myth as well.
Have you read this? Make-Believe Maverick : Rolling Stone

I knew about some of this before reading it, but still, it's kind of horrifying to see all his misdeeds tallied in one place.

I liked him up until this campaign got going, too. Now, he scares me more than Bush ever did.
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