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Old 09-25-2008, 12:11 AM   #361
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That is not something you need to see right before bed. This could be the most effective birth control I've ever used. Thanks Mitty!


ETA: My lord, he really is dead behind the eyes. Maybe he should run for Mayor of Stepford.
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Old 09-25-2008, 12:14 AM   #362
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I don't think McCain is scared to debate. (I'm actually surprised that's being suggested as I've heard it said that Obama is supposed to be the weaker debater, though a better speech maker).

I think McCain is a gambler. He's gambling that the American electorate will think like this:

[QUOTE=U2Fan101;5487145]i'm split between the two.

But McCain just earned major points in my book by wanting to put the 1st debate on hold to address the economic crisis. He's still a Senator. He still has a job to do. And so is Obama and Biden. And I think they need to follow suit and face this horrible economic crisis on our hands instead of bickering about who will be the next president.

I want to see work in action, not in words.

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It doesn't matter whether he actually contribute anything in Washington. He just has to LOOK like he's contributing something. Remember, the average person isn't really sure what exactly McCain or any of the Senators will be doing (I know I'm not certain), but they do like the image of a guy "rolling up his sleeves" and going to work.

McCain is a gambler, a maverick really--willing to do these unorthodox things (pick Palin for VP, suspend the campaign) to win the election. He's gambling on the gullibility of the electorate.

McCain hasn't "suspended" shit. This very ploy of "suspending the campaign" shows he's campaigning harder than ever.

Oh, and deep. . .how much did they pay you? Was it as much as they pay Sting?



I'm kidding of course (I think). I'm just amazed by the extent to which you've become a McCain apologist. Or maybe you're just REALLY playing devils advocate in here. . .I don't know.
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Oh, and deep. . .how much did they pay you? Was it as much as they pay Sting?



I'm kidding of course (I think). I'm just amazed by the extent to which you've become a McCain apologist. Or maybe you're just REALLY playing devils advocate in here. . .I don't know.

Last time I polled myself I was 43% for one candidate and 45% for the other



this board is 85 % for Obama, that pretty much is what all the polls on here end up at

If I were posting on a site that had a 85% bias for McCain
I would probably be posting information that was supportive of Obama

80%+ of the people I associate with in real life, because of where I live, are GOP and make anti Obama statements, I do sometimes present Obama's side? of the argument. Of course it is easier to do these things on a message board.
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It doesn't matter whether he actually contribute anything in Washington. He just has to LOOK like he's contributing something. Remember, the average person isn't really sure what exactly McCain or any of the Senators will be doing (I know I'm not certain), but they do like the image of a guy "rolling up his sleeves" and going to work.

McCain is a gambler, a maverick really--willing to do these unorthodox things (pick Palin for VP, suspend the campaign) to win the election. He's gambling on the gullibility of the electorate.

McCain hasn't "suspended" shit. This very ploy of "suspending the campaign" shows he's campaigning harder than ever.
No kidding. It's not like he doesn't still have his Senate staff in DC, who do most of the work for him.
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a maverick really
"maverick" used to be such a good word. Someone used it in a meeting today and we all realized it's so tainted now we can't really ever use it again.

R.I.P. maverick.
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Last time I polled myself I was 43% for one candidate and 45% for the other



this board is 85 % for Obama, that pretty much is what all the polls on here end up at

If I were posting on a site that had a 85% bias for McCain
I would probably be posting information that was supportive of Obama

80%+ of the people I associate with in real life, because of where I live, are GOP and make anti Obama statements, I do sometimes present Obama's side? of the argument. Of course it is easier to do these things on a message board.
Fair enough. . .you're one hell of a DA (Devil's Advocate) though. I'll give you that!
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"maverick" used to be such a good word. Someone used it in a meeting today and we all realized it's so tainted now we can't really ever use it again.

R.I.P. maverick.
Yeah, especially when Top Gun came out!

A lot to be learned about the pros and cons of "maverickism" from that movie. I don't think being a maverick is necessarily bad. It's not always good either though. It depends on the circumstances, the amount of risk involved, and what's at stake. After all, being a maverick is great if you're right. But if you're wrong and you buck the crowd. . .

I mean would Goose still be alive if Tom Cruise had been a little less of a "Maverick"?
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Fair enough. . .you're one hell of a DA (Devil's Advocate) though. I'll give you that!

no Devils in this race

just a couple of imperfect servants - wanting to do the right thing
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I want Palin to debate Obama since she should step in when McCain cannot fulfill his responsibilities.

I am tired of the publicity stunts by McCain.
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McCain does not want to take action. He wants to distract you from the issues.
Well, if it's true. It's working for me.
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Well, if it's true. It's working for me.
How does it feel being gullible? Don't you feel as though he's insulting your intelligence?
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I don't think McCain is scared to debate.
Part of me thinks this is all a red herring cooked up to get rid of the VP debate.

Sarah Palin isn't ready. They know it.

She's been cramming for 2 weeks and the interview with Katie Couric is her best shot? Come on, they can add 2 and 2 together.
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“All of a sudden, now that we’re on the verge of making a deal, John McCain drops himself in to make a deal," Frank said. "I really worry about this politicization of it."

"Frankly, we’re going to have to interrupt a negotiating session tomorrow between the Democrats and Republicans on a bill, where I think we’re getting pretty close, and troop down to the White House for their photo-op, and then come back and get on to it," Frank said.

“We’re trying to rescue the economy, not the McCain campaign,” he added.
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i disagree with the poster that said Obama was the weaker debater.. I think he is quite capable and will do an excellent job in the debate when it happens. Mc Cain is not a good speaker/debater so IMO he is the weaker of the two.. Hopefully, we will have a debate soon with this political ploy/tactic that McCain pulled.. I just don't buy this as legitimate on his part, I think it's a stunt to deflect the attention to him and make him look like the hero with his involvement in the bailout talks i.e. taking the credit for it.
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Part of me thinks this is all a red herring cooked up to get rid of the VP debate.

Sarah Palin isn't ready. They know it.

She's been cramming for 2 weeks and the interview with Katie Couric is her best shot? Come on, they can add 2 and 2 together.


i agree with you here.. I think it's something along these lines..
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I don't think McCain is scared to debate.
I don't think he's scared to debate, I think he's scared to debate about the economy and that's what the election is about right now. How is he going to use his POW status with the economy?
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I don't think he's scared to debate, I think he's scared to debate about the economy and that's what the election is about right now. How is he going to use his POW status with the economy?
"I was a POW for 5 years, so I didn't even know what was happening to the U.S. economy for all that time, and 35 years later I've seen no reason to try and brush up on it at all." Something like that?
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This has been one of the saddest times in America's history (political).

McCain is not running on issues, he's running on tactics, and we'll see if it works (probably).

He has a VP who is probably the worst selection I can ever think of, just horrible, complete political move, and again, it worked.

Now he wants to put off the debates, only because Palin isn't ready, and McCain doesn't want to have to talk about the economy, something his party is responsible for, and something he knows Obama will be able to hammer him on.

This latest political move makes me sick, although I can respect it when it comes to a political tatic, I just hate we can't talk about issues. Instead it's getting elected.

McCain has sold his freaking soul to be POTUS. This country gets what it deserves if he's elected.
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Part of me thinks this is all a red herring cooked up to get rid of the VP debate.

Sarah Palin isn't ready. They know it.

She's been cramming for 2 weeks and the interview with Katie Couric is her best shot? Come on, they can add 2 and 2 together.



i agree with this, and i also wonder if this stunt isn't to distract from her awful interview with Couric.

the more i think about it, the more awful it really was.
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Somebody that has a much better vantage point than any of us has given his opinion


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Bill Clinton: Don't 'Overly Parse' McCain Request to Delay Debate


September 25, 2008 8:26 AM

ABC News' Nitya Venkataraman Reports: Former President Bill Clinton defended Sen. John McCain's request to delay the first presidential debate, saying McCain did it in "good faith" and pushed organizers to reserve time for economy talk during the debate if the Friday plans move forward.

Appearing on Good Morning America Thursday, Clinton told ABC News' Chris Cuomo that McCain's push to postpone the debate would only be a good political move if both candidates agreed. McCain announced on Wednesday that he would "suspend" his presidential campaign to come to Washington to help negotiate a financial bailout bill

"We know he didn't do it because he's afraid because Sen. McCain wanted more debates," Clinton said, adding that he was "encouraged" by the joint statement from McCain and Sen. Barack Obama.

"You can put it off a few days the problem is it's hard to reschedule those things," Clinton said, "I presume he did that in good faith since I know he wanted -- I remember he asked for more debates to go all around the country and so I don't think we ought to overly parse that."

If the debate moves forward as planned for Friday night, Clinton says "they should be able to talk about this some of the debate because it is a security issue."

The former president thought Bush's address Wednesday night on the economic crisis had a "positive reaction".

"I thought it was the clearest statement of why we're in the fix we're in, at least what the nature of it is and why some national action is needed," Clinton said.

He said that both Democrats and Republicans "should move as quickly as they can" on the president's economic rescue plan but that both parties "want to know exactly how this $700 billion is going to be invested..to stabilize the system."

President Bush's bipartisan meeting on the economic crisis will take place at 4pm at the White House, both Obama and McCain will be in attendance.



So this should end the debate.


I can post numerous Obama's quotes where he values Clinton's advice and experience.


Are Obama supporter's so desperate that a delay of a few days will be grasped at for what ever advantage they think they can get?
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