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Old 09-23-2008, 08:28 PM   #201
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Kind of like how all that screeching about BILLARY THE TWO-HEADED MONSTER!!!!! only further alienated Hillary supporters whose votes Obama badly needs?

But it doesn't matter, because this ain't the MSM, and the general public doesn't know or give a shit what anyone in FYM says.
Kind of.

FYM is simply a small reflection of what is already being said in the mainstream media. Duh. The whole "Bush Doctrine" and "Bridge to Nowhere" nonsense are distractions. I'm betting not a heck of alot of average undecideds give two shits about either of these "issues" so I wish the media would just shut the hell up and explore other issues.

P.S. Have you Hillary fans noticed how she seems to have literally disappeared in the past couple of weeks and how Bill keeps giving Sarah Palin compliments on the talk shows??? The bitterness of Billary??????
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It would be nice to see politicians get used to actually answering (or at least trying to answer) tough questions on a regular basis.
It might be nice if we had a President that would go down to the well in Congress and take questions from the Congress once a week

like the PM does in Britain.

that way the President and Congress could both make their case before the American people and perhaps find some common ground.
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P.S. Have you Hillary fans noticed how she seems to have literally disappeared in the past couple of weeks and how Bill keeps giving Sarah Palin compliments on the talk shows??? The bitterness of Billary??????

She was on CBS early show this morning praising Obama.

wcbstv.com - Sen. Clinton: 'No Doubt' Obama Will Win
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I'm betting not a heck of alot of average undecideds give two shits about either of these "issues" so I wish the media would just shut the hell up and explore other issues.
Whaddya know, we agree. Good luck expecting the media to change though, especially so long as VP Nom Palin's public statements record remains so thin.

Try not watching TV or reading political blogs, works wonders for me.
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P.S. Have you Hillary fans noticed how she seems to have literally disappeared in the past couple of weeks and how Bill keeps giving Sarah Palin compliments on the talk shows??? The bitterness of Billary??????
I'm not and never have been a Hillary fan, if you had me in mind.

Pathbreaking-female-candidate-who-lost sounding off on pathbreaking-female-candidate-who-won-was-appointed would make for an uncomfortable and probably inherently exploitative spectacle, so I'm not expecting to hear much from her, really.
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As long as ratings are stable the media won't care to change.
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Naturally, liberals think the only gaffes that mean something are the ones their opponents make.

Not like conservatives who understand that gaffes are meaningless no matter who makes them.

Or is that they understand gaffes are an important indicator of a person's fitness for office regardless of the party affiliation of the person who makes gaffe?

Perhaps you could clarify which of these two is the reasonable point of view held exclusively by conservatives?
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I'm actually gonna side with deep on this one. . .at least to the extent that I think the issue of Palin not knowing what the Bush Doctrine is, is a bit overblown. And I think Biden's misstatement of historical facts is pretty glaring.

But in truth, I don't think either one of these things are that big a deal really. There are many reasons besides Palin's lack of knowledge of the Bush Doctrine to consider her an unwise choice for the Vice Presidency. And there are many reasons why Biden would make a good vice president despite his lack of knowledge of the historical facts of the Great Depression.
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AURORA, Colorado -- An elementary school student in suburban Denver was suspended for wearing a T-shirt critical of Barack Obama.

The school in Aurora, Colorado had encouraged students to dress patriotically.

Fifth grader Daxx Dalton created something to wear by writing "Obama A Terrorist's Best Friend" on a white shirt.

But school officials told Dalton he couldn't wear the shirt.

He was given the choice of changing, turning the shirt inside out or being suspended. He chose suspension.

"They're taking my right of freedom of speech," he said. "If I have the right to wear this shirt, I'm going to use it and if the only way to use it is to get suspended then I'm going to get suspended."

Dan Dalton supports his son's decision.

"He was suspended simply because he refused to give up his First Amendment rights," he said.

The school district wouldn't comment specifically on Daxx's situation but released a statement that said in part "we respect students' rights to free speech such as the right to wear specific clothing."

School officials said they also review any situation that might disrupt the learning environment.

Daxx said he will wear the shirt again on election day.

His father said he may take the school district to court over the issue.

A shame that kids don't even have the right to free speech any more. (one way to look at this)


But the truth?

this kid is being brought up in a very unhealthy environment.

I hope he makes it to adulthood and gains the ability to think for himself.
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A shame that kids don't even have the right to free speech any more. (one way to look at this)


But the truth?

this kid is being brought up in a very unhealthy environment.

I hope he makes it to adulthood and gains the ability to think for himself.
Kids being required to cede basic rights to the school isn't new. I think in loco parentis or some latin would make me sound more educated, if only I knew what it meant.

I do remember the "Bong Hits 4 Jesus" SCOTUS case, and I disagreed with the ruling primarily because the banner wasn't on school property. But on school grounds I'm pretty sure they've always had the right to dictate dress code.
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A shame that kids don't even have the right to free speech any more. (one way to look at this)


But the truth?

this kid is being brought up in a very unhealthy environment.

I hope he makes it to adulthood and gains the ability to think for himself.
School systems have the right to ask students to change clothing that may impead the main function of the school which is to educate. The fact is, we have no idea what the population of the school body is, and who may or may not be in the classroom with the student that may have found it offensive. The court system supports this position. The burden is on the school to demonstrate why the shirt was causing a disruption to the educational process.

In three years, I have had one girl cover the saying on a shirt. I cannot remember what it was on the shirt other than it was pretty sexual in nature for an elementary school student to be wearing, and I had complaints from multiple sources in the school.
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oooh let the goutrage continue :

The Associated Press: Freddie Mac paid 15K a month to McCain aide's firm

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WASHINGTON (AP) — The lobbying firm of John McCain's campaign manager was paid $15,000 a month for several years until last month by one of two housing companies taken over by the federal government, a person familiar with the financial arrangement said Tuesday night.

That money from Freddie Mac to the firm of Rick Davis was on top of more than $30,000 a month that went directly to Davis for five years starting in 2000.

The $30,000 a month came from both Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae, the other housing entity now under government control because of the crisis in the financial markets...
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That's a really interesting situation. My initial reaction to Deep's posting was that the boy was dressing according to his (or more likely his family's) definition of 'patriotic,' and should be left alone, no matter how inaccurate I feel the statement is. But then Dread brought up a very good point. It's a tough call, and i guess it's ultimately up to schools to determine if there's a line being crossed.

I wonder what the political leanings of that particular school district are, and if that had any impact on the decision.
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I don't know why people assume that students in a school have the same rights of expression or privacy that they would in their own homes. They do not and never have.
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I don't know why people assume that students in a school have the same rights of expression or privacy that they would in their own homes. They do not and never have.
Oh, I totally get that, but in the case of political statements, where is the line drawn? I'm sure a pro-Obama shirt would have been fine. Or a pro-McCain. Would a shirt dissing McCain have had the same reaction? Was it because of the connection with terrorism? Or was it because it was an ugly-ass homemade shirt?
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The whole "Bush Doctrine" and "Bridge to Nowhere" nonsense are distractions. I'm betting not a heck of alot of average undecideds give two shits about either of these "issues" so I wish the media would just shut the hell up and explore other issues.
I think at this point the "undecideds" fit somewhere in two categories those that don't care, which you are probably right these issues will not help them make up their minds, or those that truly don't have party leanings and vote purely on issues, and those voters want to know what kind of background this newcomer has.

I think the "_____ to nowhere" is only an issue because she keeps using it as a slogan to make her seem strong and maverick, which really isn't the case when you flipped on the issue at first. Find another slogan Sarah and the bridge will become a non-issue.

And the "Bush Doctrine" issue isn't so much that she didn't know what was meant by the "Bush Doctrine", although in the current political context it's pretty easy to figure out, it was how she went about responding... She came off like the girl who announces very loudly to the room "I don't get it" right after the whole room bursted out with laughter after a joke was told.
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But the truth?

this kid is being brought up in a very unhealthy environment.

I hope he makes it to adulthood and gains the ability to think for himself.
I have to agree. The dad and the son were on Hannity and Colmes last night, and they did seem a tad bit
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I have to agree. The dad and the son were on Hannity and Colmes last night, and they did seem a tad bit

They had this tool on their show last night? Wow, I used to think Hannity was a little brighter than the others just uninformed, but the more I find out the more I realize he's not...
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