US 2008 Presidential Campaign/Debate Discussion Thread - The Fifth Installment

[phillyfan26]

Continue.

[anitram]

I wanted to comment on deep's assertion that Edwards offered the same things as Obama, if not much more.

That's just patently false. I liked Edwards, but their platforms are NOT the same. Their healthcare plans were vastly different. Furthermore, Obama is a much more corporate candidate than Edwards ever was (regardless of how he's been raising his money). I know plenty of people who vote Dem who do not think that Edwards' populist views are viable, and as a Canadian, honestly he reminded me of the NDP in a lot of ways. Don't get me wrong, that's not a bad thing, but it also has practical implications regarding what bills can actually be passed.

So I have no idea how Edwards offered a much better plan for the same things. He didn't; they were fundamentally different candidates with different priorities.

[diamond]

Edwards is an empty suit, with phonier charisma then Mitt.

Obama is a man compared to Edwards and on par with Mitt.

Edwards is a child.

dbs

[anitram]

Originally posted by diamond
Obama is a man compared to Edwards and on par with Mitt.

For the first time, I think you may be more astute than your brother.

This is certainly an argument that he should have been advancing all along if he wanted us to get behind Hillary.

[diamond]

Martina,

If you only knew us in real life..


dbs

[Irvine511]

Originally posted by diamond
Edwards is an empty suit, with phonier charisma then Mitt.

Obama is a man compared to Edwards and on par with Mitt.

Edwards is a child.

dbs

now that's substance.

[Irvine511]

[q]Would I want Hillary answering the red phone in the middle of the night? No, bloody not. The White House first responder should be a person of steady, consistent character and mood -- which describes Obama more than Hillary. And that scare ad was produced with amazing ineptitude. If it's 3 a.m., why is the male-seeming mother fully dressed as she comes in to check on her sleeping children? Is she a bar crawler or insomniac? An obsessive-compulsive housecleaner, like Joan Crawford in "Mommie Dearest"? And why is Hillary sitting at her desk in full drag and jewelry at that ungodly hour? A president should not be a monomaniac incapable of rest and perched on guard all night like Poe's baleful raven. People at the top need a relaxed perspective, which gives judgment and balance. Workaholism is an introspection-killing disease, the anxious disability of tunnel-vision middle managers.[/q]



oh, Professor Paglia!

[BVS]

"This why McCain will be our next President kids.

Mark my words.

3/12/2007

diamondbrunothetruth."

You hated this guy just a few weeks ago, I understand supporting your side, but voting for someone who you spoke so ill of... I will never understand.

[joyfulgirl]

Originally posted by diamond
Edwards is an empty suit, with phonier charisma then Mitt.

Obama is a man compared to Edwards and on par with Mitt.

Edwards is a child.

dbs

Absurd.

[U2democrat]

Originally posted by Irvine511
[q]Would I want Hillary answering the red phone in the middle of the night? No, bloody not. The White House first responder should be a person of steady, consistent character and mood -- which describes Obama more than Hillary. And that scare ad was produced with amazing ineptitude. If it's 3 a.m., why is the male-seeming mother fully dressed as she comes in to check on her sleeping children? Is she a bar crawler or insomniac? An obsessive-compulsive housecleaner, like Joan Crawford in "Mommie Dearest"? And why is Hillary sitting at her desk in full drag and jewelry at that ungodly hour? A president should not be a monomaniac incapable of rest and perched on guard all night like Poe's baleful raven. People at the top need a relaxed perspective, which gives judgment and balance. Workaholism is an introspection-killing disease, the anxious disability of tunnel-vision middle managers.[/q]



oh, Professor Paglia!

That is beautiful

Let cooler heads prevail!

[verte76]

I just got an email from the Obama campaign that Ferraro resigned from Hillary's campaign. Has anyone else heard this?

[verte76]

Originally posted by diamond
Edwards is an empty suit, with phonier charisma then Mitt.

Obama is a man compared to Edwards and on par with Mitt.

Edwards is a child.

dbs

Oh, diamond...........

[verte76]

Originally posted by BonoVoxSupastar
"This why McCain will be our next President kids.

Mark my words.

3/12/2007

diamondbrunothetruth."

You hated this guy just a few weeks ago, I understand supporting your side, but voting for someone who you spoke so ill of... I will never understand.

I don't want McCain to be our next President! I'll be so pissed off if he gets elected!

[verte76]

Originally posted by anitram
I wanted to comment on deep's assertion that Edwards offered the same things as Obama, if not much more.

That's just patently false. I liked Edwards, but their platforms are NOT the same. Their healthcare plans were vastly different. Furthermore, Obama is a much more corporate candidate than Edwards ever was (regardless of how he's been raising his money). I know plenty of people who vote Dem who do not think that Edwards' populist views are viable, and as a Canadian, honestly he reminded me of the NDP in a lot of ways. Don't get me wrong, that's not a bad thing, but it also has practical implications regarding what bills can actually be passed.

So I have no idea how Edwards offered a much better plan for the same things. He didn't; they were fundamentally different candidates with different priorities.

Obama is a corporate candidate?

[U2Fanatic4ever]

Originally posted by verte76


I don't want McCain to be our next President! I'll be so pissed off if he gets elected!

ME TOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[joyfulgirl]

Originally posted by verte76


Obama is a corporate candidate?

Yes, as is Hillary. The anti-corporate candidates never go far, unfortunately.

[Pearl]

Originally posted by verte76
I just got an email from the Obama campaign that Ferraro resigned from Hillary's campaign. Has anyone else heard this?

Yeah I heard.
Not surprising because she was making Hillary look bad due to her remarks about Obama. I mean, something was going to happen to her.

[sulawesigirl4]

Dear Hillary -

I am stepping down from your finance committee so I can speak for myself and you can continue to speak for yourself about what is at stake in this campaign.

The Obama campaign is attacking me to hurt you.

I won't let that happen.

Thank you for everything you have done and continue to do to make this a better world for my children and grandchildren.

You have my deep admiration and respect.

Gerry

So definitely no playing the victim there.

[Irvine511]

should we remind Ms. Ferraro that the #1 beneficiaries of affirmative action have always, always been women?

[deep]

Originally posted by Irvine511
should we remind Ms. Ferraro that the #1 beneficiaries of affirmative action have always, always been women?

why ?

it is how she began this dialog

"I started off by saying, if you go back to 1984 and look at my historic candidacy, which I had just talked about all these things, in 1984 if my name was Gerard Ferraro instead of Geraldine Ferraro, I would have never been chosen as a vice presidential candidate," Ferraro said." "It had nothing to do with my qualification."