US 2008 Presidential Campaign/Debate Discussion Thread - The Fifth Installment

[EdgeIsTooSexy]

thankfully pennsylvania isnt as stupid as i thought it was

[maycocksean]

Originally posted by EdgeIsTooSexy
thankfully pennsylvania isnt as stupid as i thought it was

Obama is pulling ahead then?

[VintagePunk]

Originally posted by Harry Vest
The world ( minus some really stubborn Americans) are really sick to death of Hillary Clinton. Please, just stop voting for her already and get on with the interesting and historic battle that's meant to be... Obama vs McCain!!!

So now you're a spokesman for the world?

I'm actually finding *this* an interesting and historic battle.

[deep]

9 points?

[Harry Vest]

Originally posted by VintagePunk


So now you're a spokesman for the world?

I'm actually finding *this* an interesting and historic battle.

Ya, I guess it's "interesting" and "historic" seeing democrats ripping apart the party when they should of decided this months ago!!! The one year you actually have a chance at winning the Whitehouse and look what you do...keep voting for a loser...a liar and a cheat instead of the guy who's anything but perfect but could really begin to heal what Bush and Co. have done for the past eight years. This baffles me. Really, what's up America???

Sincerely,
Spokeman for the World

[Earnie Shavers]

I would say that Obama is absolutely the way, way ahead favourite globally. Just a quick perusal of global media would confirm that, and anecdotally I know dozens of people who are watching this race who otherwise take absolutely no interest in US politics, let alone at a primary race level, purely because of him and the hope he gets in. 'Audacity of Hope' is in our Top 10 best sellers here in Australia at the moment. No US political books or biographies ever do that, EVER. A year ago it probably wouldn't even have been available in 95% of Australian bookstores. It was my girlfriend - completely and totally non-politically interested in any way either locally or globally - who let me know that Obama was on the Daily Show yesterday and wanted to make sure we saw it. There are little things like that everywhere.

'The Story', the narrative around the three candidates, that you can clearly pick up from any international media source, is of the Golden Child, the Stubborn Spoiler, and the Can't Honestly Believe that Americans Would Be So Stupid As To Go For Another Republican. That's just the way it is, and it makes perfect sense that it would be that way, IMO. Partly becuase he's a media dream, but also because he's a global dream President post-Bush.

Of course, 'we' (the rest of the world) are paying zero attention to domestic stuff. Tax, healthcare etc etc = yawn. Far more interested, obviously, in the President as a figurehead and big decider in the general direction and image the US takes on at a global level. No Obama, and everyone would be rooting big time for Clinton, but Obama exists and is seen as a dream candidate internationally. Anyone who is everything Bush isn't, and isn't anything Bush is, was always going to get a dream ride globally, and he is, and would continue to do so if nominated, and would probably continue to do so if elected. Globally, Obama would really change the perception of the US around the world in a heartbeat. Clinton would too to a degree, absolutely, but to get there she's seen as knifing Obama too much and it's certainly damaging the way she's being presented. If the US eventually goes for McCain, you'll hear the sound of a billion hands slapping a billion foreheads in stunned amazement.

[DaveC]

This is the equivalent of watching the NFC Championship game, when one team is up by 10 in the fourth quarter. The losing team gets the ball, drives down the field, chews up a ton of clock and is in the red zone...and only manages a field goal. Then the winning team gets the ball and runs the clock down as far as they can. Then the losing team brings the ball back down the field, time is running out - and they kick another field goal.

Sure, points are going up on the board. But they're still losing and are basically out of time. And you really just want it to be over with so you can watch the Super Bowl.

Clinton managed to take a whole six delegates off Obama's lead of over 130 tonight, according to CNN (ETA: Now it's down to a whopping three delegate difference).

Pack it the heck in, Hillary.

[randhail]

Originally posted by DaveC
Pack it the heck in, Hillary.

She's the modern day Rasputin, she's never going to go away.

[deep]

10+ points

[Harry Vest]

" The sound of a billion hands slapping a billion foreheads in stunned amazement"
BRILLIANT QUOTE!!!!!!!!!!!!

[anitram]

Why is it that whenever people talk about how Obama can't win OH or FL nobody, and I mean nobody thinks to ask how Hilary will win in OH if the African Americans stay at home (bye Cleveland!), or Missouri (bye St. Louis!), etc? Given that they're voting 92% for him now and given that she can only win by a superdelegate debacle, why would this extremely reliable Democratic constituency bother voting for her?

[INDY500]

Originally posted by 2861U2


I'm predicting a 10-point victory for her.

With 95% of vote in you're right on the money.

Operation Chaos comes to Indiana.

[2861U2]

Originally posted by INDY500


With 95% of vote in you're right on the money.

Operation Chaos comes to Indiana.

I can't wait to hear what Rush will say tomorrow.

[BVS]

No one should ever care what that man says...

[Irvine511]

Originally posted by anitram
Why is it that whenever people talk about how Obama can't win OH or FL nobody, and I mean nobody thinks to ask how Hilary will win in OH if the African Americans stay at home (bye Cleveland!), or Missouri (bye St. Louis!), etc? Given that they're voting 92% for him now and given that she can only win by a superdelegate debacle, why would this extremely reliable Democratic constituency bother voting for her?

because the only people democrats take more for granted than gay people are black people.

i mean, where else do we all go? to people that actively hate us?

[Earnie Shavers]

Originally posted by BonoVoxSupastar
No one should ever care what that man says...

After a few drinks and with a bit of honesty, it's probably something about how much he can't wait for the ratings and cash another Clinton presidency will send his way.

[deep]

Originally posted by INDY500


With 95% of vote in you're right on the money.

Operation Chaos comes to Indiana.

New Democratic voters, who either switched from another party or registered as a Democrat for the first time, strongly backed Obama at a rate of 62 percent to 38 percent.

Operation Chaos had no impact

[LemonMelon]

Nice, a Clinton victory in Pennsylvania. Who could've seen that coming, eh?

10 points is not nearly enough, however. Treading water at best, and it's getting a bit late in the day for that.

[deep]

He out spends 2 or 3 to 1.

Why can't he win a state that matters?

[maycocksean]

Originally posted by deep
He out spends 2 or 3 to 1.

Why can't he win a state that matters?

Will we see Democrats in the "states that matter" voting for McCain rather than Obama? Or is it simply that given a choice they'd rather have Clinton than Obama but would still vote Democratic in November?

You're suggesting that the independent swing voters would vote for Hillary over McCain but McCain over Obama?

If that is the argument you've been making, then I guess I've never been convinced of that. The Republicans certainly aren't convinced of it. Just look at how 2861U2 cackles and rubs his hands together at the thought of a Clinton vs. McCain match up. They clearly think they have a better shot against Clinton than against McCain.