US 2008 Presidential Campaign/Debate Discussion Thread - The Fifth Installment

[Irvine511]

Originally posted by 2861U2



Wow. The PC country in which we live...

seriously?

[diamond]

Originally posted by Diemen


If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck...

Using boy is far more than just obtuse and clumsy. It's insulting and degrading. There is no "spin" necessary.

reading between the lines sometimes takes more energy than knee jerk reactions.

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[U2democrat]

Originally posted by 2861U2



Wow. The PC country in which we live...

No, it's the reality of racism.

I have racist members of my family who will refer to an African American man as "that boy" or a woman as "that girl", and it's meant in a derogatory sense. It's been that way for over a century, it's nothing new.

[Irvine511]

Originally posted by diamond


reading between the lines sometimes takes more energy than knee jerk reactions.

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thinking is hard, i know.

[diamond]

Originally posted by U2democrat



No, it's the reality of racism.

I have racist members of my family who will refer to an African American man as "that boy" or a woman as "that girl", and it's meant in a derogatory sense. It's been that way for over a century, it's nothing new.

you would agree we are on the way out of the land of racism, maybe not quite as fast but we are on the correct path right ?

some of the older generation are slower than others and are clumsy.

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[diamond]

Originally posted by Irvine511




thinking is hard, i know.

i knew u couldn't stay mad at me long boo-boo.


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[MrsSpringsteen]

Originally posted by diamond

some of the older generation are slower than others and are clumsy.

No excuse. Was that Strom Thurmond's excuse too? Trent Lott? Barbara Bush for what she said about the Katrina victims? Age is no excuse for ignorance, or bigotry.

[deep]

Originally posted by MrsSpringsteen
politico.com

April 14, 2008
Categories: Barack Obama

Davis Apologizes: 'A poor choice of words'

Rep. Geoff Davis, moving to contain the damage of a Saturday night reference to Barack Obama as a "boy" whose finger shouldn't be on the nuclear button, has apologized.

In a letter to Obama, which a Davis aide provided to Politico, Davis apologized for his "poor choice of words."

"I offer my sincere apology to you and ask for your forgiveness," he wrote.

The letter makes no reference to the substance of Davis's remarks, that Obama's behavior in a classified exercise had convinced Davis the Illinois Senator is unready to be president.

"Immediately upon arriving back in Washington, D.C. today, Congressman Davis personally delivered a letter of apology to Senator Obama's office," said Davis campaign manager Jeremy Hughes.

it does not matter what the intend was

was he was thinking (youth)

bottom line

adults should not be referred to as "boys" or "girls" and every politicain should be 'smart" enough to know that.


at least, this guy was "smart enough" to immediately apologize 100%
and not try and spin it or nuance it by referring to Obama's youthful appearance or some other silly thing

[2861U2]

I guess I can't walk up to one of my black friends and say "Whats up, boy" anymore.

Wow, all the times that I've ever said that, I've been implying my racism.

You learn something new everyday

[yolland]

Originally posted by U2democrat
No, it's the reality of racism.

I have racist members of my family who will refer to an African American man as "that boy" or a woman as "that girl", and it's meant in a derogatory sense. It's been that way for over a century, it's nothing new.

Yep. Especially for those of us who grew up in the South, there are indeed still (typically older) white people who routinely refer to black men as "boy." It's not an accident, it's a habit that comes from categorically perceiving black people as undignified and behaviorally and mentally childlike.

[deep]

Originally posted by 2861U2
I guess I can't walk up to one of my black friends and say "Whats up, boy" anymore.

you better not


he might steal your pencil

[diamond]

some of you boys and girls and polictically correct word police officers need to get off your santimonious, prigish high horses lest you suffer more oxygen deprivation, thereby causing greater disconnect with the majority of us in real time, crucifying those that are an offender for a word..

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[MrsSpringsteen]

Originally posted by 2861U2
I guess I can't walk up to one of my black friends and say "Whats up, boy" anymore.

Wow, all the times that I've ever said that, I've been implying my racism.

You learn something new everyday

How your friends take it is up to them- but no offense, you should read up on some past history and think about it in that context. Even if my friends didn't mind I wouldn't do it. In my mind it is completely wrong and yes, racist.

Saying that about an African American man running for President, that is just so wrong on many levels. Whatever his intent was.

[diamond]

Originally posted by MrsSpringsteen


No excuse. Was that Strom Thurmond's excuse too? Trent Lott? Barbara Bush .

mostly out of step w word correctness of times-esp babbs.

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[2861U2]

Originally posted by deep


you better not


he might steal your pencil

That was funny.

[yolland]

Originally posted by diamond
some of you boys and girls and polictically correct word police officers need to get off your santimonious, prigish high horses lest you suffer more oxygen deprivation, thereby causing greater disconnect with the majority of us in real time, crucifying those that are an offender for a word..

Yes, everyone was clamoring for his "crucifixion."

[diamond]

Originally posted by yolland

Yes, everyone was clamoring for his "crucifixion."

political crucifixion.

[MrsSpringsteen]

Originally posted by diamond


mostly out of step w word correctness of times-esp babbs.

Really? Senators and first ladies are that clueless? Come on.

What's with <>? Secret code? RIP dbs

[MrsSpringsteen]

Originally posted by diamond
some of you boys and girls and polictically correct word police officers need to get off your santimonious, prigish high horses lest you suffer more oxygen deprivation, thereby causing greater disconnect with the majority of us in real time, crucifying those that are an offender for a word..

Thesaurus working overtime again I see. Don't wear out the pages.

[2861U2]

Originally posted by MrsSpringsteen


How your friends take it is up to them- but no offense, you should read up on some past history and think about it in that context.

Fair enough. But where does it end, though? When referencing my African-American neighbors 2 houses away, can I say "they have a cute little baby boy?"