US 2008 Presidential Campaign/Debate Discussion Thread - The Fifth Installment

[Irvine511]

Originally posted by Strongbow


He is more of an expert on national security and foreign policy than the economy, but when it comes to the economy he has more knowledge and experience on the issue than either Hillary or Obama.

McCain doesn't seem to think so.

[diamond]

Originally posted by Irvine511




pot? kettle?

it's quite contagious on the left.



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[Irvine511]

Originally posted by deep


I think a candidate should respond to certain remarks

was Spike Lee speaking at an Obama event in front of a crowd, or was he being asked his own opinion?

you seem to be suggesting that Obama has some sort of responsibility for Spike's own comments, and the only reason i can think that this connection was made was because both men are black.

perhaps not?

[deep]

Originally posted by Irvine511
the only reason i can think that this connection was made was because both men are black.

this statement is only revealing about how you view things

[diamond]

Originally posted by deep


this statement is only revealing about how you view things

Irv and Deep:

[Irvine511]

Originally posted by deep


this statement is only revealing about how you view things

why does Obama have to apologize for one of Spike's comments when Spike was not speaking for Obama, let alone at an Obama event?

[deep]

that is a fair question

I did not say apologize
I did say disavow

and that is what he did with Farrakhan when challenged on remarks that Farrakhan made a part and separate from any Obama event.

but you do have a valid point about the difference between the two venues
in the examples I gave

I think I am more disappointed at all the attacks on the Clintons by people that are accusing them of not having been people that have been out in front on issues in support of Black Americans

[Irvine511]

i'm sure if Tim Russert asks Obama to disavow, repudiate, spit upon, etc., these comments, or any other offensive comments made about white people by black people, he would do so.

[verte76]

Originally posted by U2democrat
I'm surprised he lasted as long as he did.

I am too.

[deep]

Originally posted by U2democrat
I'm surprised he lasted as long as he did.

he got some pills from bob dole

[verte76]

Originally posted by MrsSpringsteen
Massuh?


NY Magazine

Director Spike Lee was asked about his political leanings this season. He had kind words for Sen. Obama, even taking credit for his marriage to Michelle:

" I'm riding my man Obama. I think he's a visionary. Actually, Barack told me the first date he took Michelle to was Do the Right Thing. I said, "Thank God I made it. Otherwise you would have taken her to Soul Man. Michelle would have been like, 'What's wrong with this brother?' "

However, Lee attacked the Clintons, calling them liars who drag along black politicians as subservients:

The Clintons, man, they would lie on a stack of Bibles. Snipers? That's not misspeaking; that's some pure bullshit. I voted for Clinton twice, but that's over with. These old black politicians say, "Ooh, Massuh Clinton was good to us, massuh hired a lot of us, massuh was good!" Hoo! Charlie Rangel, David Dinkins--they have to understand this is a new day. People ain't feelin' that stuff. It's like a tide, and the people who get in the way are just gonna get swept out into the ocean.

Yeah, Massah?

[deep]

Hi Verte


I think we are similar in age

So, I imagine you remember the 90s and the 8 years of the Clinton presidency, first hand.

Do you believe he deserves these types of attacks?

[verte76]

Originally posted by deep


I remember seeing "she's got to have it" in the 80s when it came out


I like Spike Lee films


I have heard people call him a "hater" in the past.

I wouldn't go there.

But, I will call him an idiot.

Having lived through the Clinton years I know what Clinton did

and calling him "master" equating him to a slave over-seer is just plain stupid and hateful

I'd include it along with how Rev Wright referred to the Clintons

these Obama supporters are making it less likely that people like me will vote for Obama in Nov


however, I may still go see Spike's films

Yeah, that's stupid and hateful. It's hurting Obama. It pisses me off dammit!

[Irvine511]

Originally posted by deep


Do you believe he deserves these types of attacks?

i think Bill's behavior in South Carolina is behind the anger.

[U2democrat]

Originally posted by deep


he got some pills from bob dole

Mark Penn + Those pills =

[deep]

Originally posted by verte76


Yeah, that's stupid and hateful. It's hurting Obama.

Truth is your state will go Red (GOP) and my state CA will go Blue (Obama).


But you and I are not much different from many people in our age group that think W is the worst president ever.

And it is independents in our group that will have some influence in this election.

People like us in battleground states, FL, PENN, OH, and maybe one or two more states will determine this election.

[verte76]

Originally posted by Irvine511




you realize that you'd be pulling the lever for Obama, not for Spike Lee, right? and not for Rev. Wright? i know they might all look the same, but black people are actually all individuals with different thoughts and opinions.

That's right. Obama didn't say that about the Clintons.

[verte76]

Originally posted by MrsSpringsteen
(AP)

WASHINGTON — A proposal by Democrat Hillary Rodham Clinton would provide $300 million a year in increased government funding on breast cancer research, focusing on treatment and exploring possible genetic and environmental triggers for the disease.

The presidential hopeful and former first lady discussed her plan with talk show host Ellen DeGeneres on her television show, which was scheduled to air Monday. As president, Clinton told DeGeneres, she would set a goal of finding a cure for the disease within 10 years.

Clinton's plan would increase funding for breast cancer research and treatment through programs at the National Institutes of Health, the National Cancer Institute, and the Department of Defense Congressionally Directed Medical Research Program.

It would also help more low-income women gain access to screenings like mammograms by making them more affordable. Among other things, she would eliminate Medicare co-payments for mammograms.

Clinton also planned to propose a new program to explore racial disparities in diagnosis and treatment of the disease.

About 40,000 women died of breast cancer in the United States in 2007, and some 240,000 new cases were expected to be diagnosed this year.

That's good.

[deep]

Originally posted by U2democrat


Mark Penn + Those pills =

looks like
he took a double dose here \/

[U2democrat]

My poor, innocent mind